The Tuul Crib 7,336 #1 Posted February 18, 2020 I know there have been some threads about this subject and I was looking through and couldn't seem to find information that l needed about these pumps. just wondering has anyone had any good luck with these and what do I need to look for in ordering a new electric fuel pump. I just had issues with one of the cheapo plastic ones leaking gas into the crank case. So I figured best way to stop this is to get an electric one. Any help? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,266 #2 Posted February 18, 2020 Off the top of my head I think it was @squonk @pfrederi and @953 nut that had that info... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tuul Crib 7,336 #3 Posted February 18, 2020 I do have an old metal original fuel pump that I'm sure that I can get a kit for it to rebuild it from then and now automotive. I'm just wondering if I should just go to the electric fuel pump route instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,266 #4 Posted February 18, 2020 What model tractor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elcamino/wheelhorse 9,295 #5 Posted February 18, 2020 Electric fuel pump is the way to go. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tuul Crib 7,336 #6 Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: What model tractor? It's the 14 horse that I just got done going through. It's on my 1067. I went to change the oil and there was a lot of gas in the oil. Not good! I've been looking at several electric ones and what I understand that you need no more than 3 pounds PSI at one amp. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oldcpecdr 255 #7 Posted February 18, 2020 I bough this on EBAy about six weeks ago, it was 18.00 delivered. I put a separate toggle switch on and mounted it down low (see pic). Others have hard wired to a normally on ignition switch lug, I liked the idea of being able to shut it down just in case. I installed on my B100 and it is working flawlessly so far. I bought the cheap pump just for proof of concept , if it toasts itself I can always upgrade. You will LOVE the instant starts, 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tuul Crib 7,336 #8 Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Oldcpecdr said: I bough this on EBAy about six weeks ago, it was 18.00 delivered. I put a separate toggle switch on and mounted it down low (see pic). Others have hard wired to a normally on ignition switch lug, I liked the idea of being able to shut it down just in case. I installed on my B100 and it is working flawlessly so far. I bought the cheap pump just for proof of concept , if it toasts itself I can always upgrade. You will LOVE the instant starts, Sounds great! What pressure and how many amps is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oldcpecdr 255 #9 Posted February 18, 2020 Megaflint Universal 12V Low Pressure Gas Diesel Inline Electric Fuel Pump HEP-02A (2.5-4 PSI) Price: $17.99 & FREE Returns : 2.5-4 PSI Crossreference :E8012S, FD0002, P60430, EP12S, 6414671 TS16949 quality system certified manufacturer Model: HEP-02A, Output Presure:2.5-4 PSI，Input Voltage: 12 Volt Current: 1-2A Compatible Electronic Devices All 12 Volt Cars , Trucks , Boats & Generators 100% Brand new and high quality. Their factory specs 2-4 PSI 1-2 amps ... But there were LOTS of different pumps to choose from....some for under ten bucks so far this one is working great. Mike B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oldcpecdr 255 #10 Posted February 18, 2020 Just another thought for you... I spent 18.00 on the pump, probably 2.00 worth of fuel line, a few feet of wire and a toggle switch from the stock pile in the mess I call a shop. So about twenty bucks total and an hour of time (LOL and an old electrical box cover to fashion a mount from) . When plow season is over I'll take an hour and neaten up the mount. Mike B 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZXT 2,401 #11 Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Oldcpecdr said: Nice octagon box cover! Lol! 5 hours ago, The Tool Crib said: I know there have been some threads about this subject and I was looking through and couldn't seem to find information that l needed about these pumps. just wondering has anyone had any good luck with these and what do I need to look for in ordering a new electric fuel pump. I just had issues with one of the cheapo plastic ones leaking gas into the crank case. So I figured best way to stop this is to get an electric one. Any help? I would suggest rebuilding the original metal pump that you have. Electric pumps are unnecessary, especially on tractors that have tanks under the hood. They could pretty much gravity feed if they had to. On one with the tank under the seat, I could see where an electric pump would be helpful for priming purposes if you let the tractor sit for a long time. My C120 has a cheapo plastic pump, and my C160 has a metal pump, which I have never touched. Both tractors start within 10 revolutions after sitting for more than a month. If you run them once a week, they fire almost instantly. I view electric pumps as a noisy, unnecessary electrical drain on a carbureted system. A mechanical pump is plenty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,266 #12 Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, ZXT said: I would suggest rebuilding the original metal pump that you have. Electric pumps are unnecessary, especially on tractors that have tanks under the hood. They could pretty much gravity feed if they had to. On one with the tank under the seat, I could see where an electric pump would be helpful for priming purposes if you let the tractor sit for a long time. That's the thought I had as well. Definitely agree that an underseat tank should have one. If it was running ok with the other pump I'd rebuild the old metal one .... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,490 #13 Posted February 18, 2020 I put an in-line marine primer bulb on my C 105... Works like a charm. $8.00... took 10 minutes...Instant starts... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skipper 1,788 #14 Posted February 18, 2020 Bear in mind that the electric pump will protect you from gas in the crank from busted membrane syndrome. That is one of a few reasons that all mine are converted to electric. The HEP-02A pumps work fine, and are pretty much all the same. Color and sticker may vary. 8-10$ delivered to your door directly from the nice chinamans land. Heat will kill it though, so mount in a cool place. Also, it is meant for pushing, not sucking. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 55,065 #15 Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Skipper said: electric pump will protect you from gas in the crank The diaphragm in a mechanical or vacuum fuel pump can leak fuel into your engine's oil pan. I will use the OEM fuel pump on restorations for the sake of originality, but many of my others have been swapped to electric. Be sure to fuse the electric feed to the pump and find a source that is operated by your ignition switch like the hour meter or lights. @pfrederi has a brand he recommends highly and many have had success with the ones shown above, up to you. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pacer 3,168 #16 Posted February 18, 2020 I'll use electric if at all possible! After fighting the off/on aggravation of the mechanicals I opted for one of the "square" shaped ones (shown) and that ended the problem with that tractor many years ago (its still going today). As I started adding to my collection of horses I was finding too many with the mechanical pumps still on would have problems also. And, of course we all know when we get one of these old machines virtually all the fuel system has to be replaced/repaired so I'd just go ahead and add an electric. I noticed the "round" types were seemingly more of and a dollar or so cheaper then the square type so I got one of them. It quit after about a year and I replaced it with the same type - it lasted a few weeks. I had 2-3 other tractors with that pump and they started failing to. When one quit on me way back in the boonies from the shop I decided - no more!! So I switched over to the square types and have had no more problems. All told I probably had 5-6 failures. At present I'm running 4 of them - wire them thru the ignition, turn the key on and I hear the 'clicking/ticking; sound I know I;m gonna have fuel available --- which reminds me that when the pump starts rapidly 'chattering' youre out of gas! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,663 #17 Posted February 18, 2020 Electric.. I tried the round one. Bought two put one on a C-141 only lasted a few hours. Never mounted the second tossed it in the trash. I am sticking with Facet Posiflo pumps made in USA, low current draw, choice of pressure ranges. Have had some running for several years now. Cost more than the Chicom electric but less than New Kohler mechanic pumps. Besides I like that they are being sold by a place that specializes in aircraft parts. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/solidstatepump.php 1 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldredrider 2,548 #18 Posted February 18, 2020 Every cheap Chinese junk pump I bought failed quickly. I will only use Facet pumps now. Worth the few extra bucks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tuul Crib 7,336 #19 Posted February 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, pfrederi said: Electric.. I tried the round one. Bought two put one on a C-141 only lasted a few hours. Never mounted the second tossed it in the trash. I am sticking with Facet Posiflo pumps made in USA, low current draw, choice of pressure ranges. Have had some running for several years now. Cost more than the Chicom electric but less than New Kohler mechanic pumps. Besides I like that they are being sold by a place that specializes in aircraft parts. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/solidstatepump.php Great info here! Thanx! Not a bad price either 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midpack 862 #20 Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, oldredrider said: Every cheap Chinese junk pump I bought failed quickly. I will only use Facet pumps now. Worth the few extra bucks. And I've been using cheap electric for years with no problems Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elcamino/wheelhorse 9,295 #21 Posted February 18, 2020 I use the same one as oldredrider and pfrederi , Never had a problem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,020 #22 Posted February 18, 2020 You can get the same Facet pump from Napa. part # 610-1051. Usually in stock or a half day away at your local store. Everybody's been sceamin "Merica" lately. Then they go buy stuff from China. Pay the extra bucks and get a good pump! 5 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McGrew 460 #23 Posted February 18, 2020 All this information on fuel pumps is great, but I have a question. What is the minimum fuel pressure needed to run our tractors reliably? My Raider 10 (now 14), has the fuel tank mounted above the carburetor, but only by about 6-10 inches, depending on the amount of fuel in the tank. The Techy engine uses the original pulse jet (?) fuel pump with a rebuild kit. It works, so my question is strictly out of curiosity. The fuel is gravity fed to both the pump and carb, as both are below the bottom of the fuel tank, but I would be surprised if the fuel pump puts our anywhere near the 2-4psi of most of the electric pumps. Does anyone have any idea how much pressure one of the old style pulse fuel pumps can produce? Thanks! Danny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildmanC120 613 #24 Posted February 19, 2020 I tried a few of the chicom electric pumps and they all died within a few uses also. I replaced them with the facet pump suggested here or an identical Holly unit from advance Auto with great success. Don't waste your money on the Chinese units. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZXT 2,401 #25 Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Have any of you running electric pumps had problems with them overpowering the float and flooding over? I've seen low pressure pumps that vary in pressure from 2-7 PSI. I can't imagine 2 PSI being too much, but I can see 7 causing an issue. It's recommended that you run a regulator on a car when running a low pressure electric pump. I have a few cheapo $9.99 specials from eBay in service on other things, one being an 85 Dodge pickup. They're branded as "osias". No issues yet and have been in service for more than a year. I tend to keep a few around just in case I need one for something. Edited February 19, 2020 by ZXT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
