Mr Magoo 226 #1 Posted February 4, 2020 So I see people refer to either short frame or long frames. What models are which? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,266 #2 Posted February 4, 2020 That can get a little confusing to some. I'm not sure about the models that were built before 1964. 1964 to 1966 all short frames 1967 if you have an 8 horse it was short, 12-horse it was long. 1968 to 1973 I think followed a similar formula 1974 and 1975. If you're not confused enough. B series was a mid length-frame. Yes you read that right. C-series was a long frame. 1976 and up as far as I know everything was a long frame...... ?? Others will be along to elaborate on the placees where my knowledge Lacks. 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stepney 2,325 #3 Posted February 4, 2020 Some more stragglers to consider are the GT14, 1054/953. I think '66 was the first year for the long frame. My 1076 is one of them. Pretty sure the end of the short frames was the Commando 800, around 1972? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,783 #4 Posted February 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: That can get a little confusing to some. I'm not sure about the models that were built before 1964. 1964 to 1966 all short frames 1967 if you have an 8 horse it was short, 12-horse it was long. 1968 to 1973 I think followed a similar formula 1974 and 1975. If you're not confused enough. B series was a mid length-frame. Yes you read that right. C-series was a long frame. 1976 and up as far as I know everything was a long frame...... ?? Others will be along to elaborate on the placees where my knowledge Lacks. ‘Ts ‘bout as clear as mud as it gets! Then there were special builds, use up builds, A (and B?) series vertical shafts and some that just don’t fit the bill of the mold... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 38,021 #5 Posted February 4, 2020 Frames, they come in all sizes. short, medium, long, and extralong 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,663 #6 Posted February 4, 2020 Except for snow plow frames it really isn't a big deal.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 6,642 #7 Posted February 4, 2020 Kohler standard size the engine dimentions of 10, 12, 14 and 16 HP engines in 1959. Any tractor with 10 through 16 HP will be a long frame unless it's been modified by an owner. A good percentiage of Redsquare Members are Modifiders. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHS 1,439 #8 Posted February 5, 2020 I think the ones toro made (87? -07?) were short frames. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 55,065 #9 Posted February 5, 2020 @ebinmaine nailed it for the majority of the line. As is fellow Maineiac @Stepney pointed out there are a few models that don't conform though 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,266 #10 Posted February 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, 953 nut said: there are a few models that don't conform though I might be one of those..... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,783 #11 Posted February 5, 2020 This frame is currently about 68” long. 1 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,783 #12 Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, ebinmaine said: I might be one of those..... I thought you were gonna quote Richard’s Maineiac phrase... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,266 #13 Posted February 5, 2020 Just now, pullstart said: I thought you were gonna quote Richard’s Maineiac phrase... Might be one of those too.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,266 #14 Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, pullstart said: This frame is currently about 68” long. Ok now see ..... That's a looooooooooooooong frame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOB ELLISON 2,980 #15 Posted February 5, 2020 Long frame- Short frame The first long framed Wheel Horse models came out in 1966. Here is a list of short frame Wheel Horses. 1961 - 701 1962 - 502, 552, 702, Lawn Ranger 1963 - 603, 633, 653, 753, Lawn Ranger 1964 - 604, 654, 704, 754, 854, 1045, Lawn Ranger 1965 - 605, 655, 855, 875, 1075, 1055, Lawn Ranger 1966 - 606, 656, 856, 876, Lawn Ranger 1967 - 607, 657, 857, 867, Lawn Ranger 1968 - Commando 6, Commando 8, '500' SPECIAL, Lawn Ranger 1969 - WORKHORSE 700 Other tractors like the 1974 and 1975 model B-80 were considered a mid frame. I copied this from Wild Bill in Richmond, Va 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,490 #16 Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, pullstart said: This frame is currently about 68” long. Off topic sort of...hey @pullstart “Currently...”? Is that a preview to another length inducing modification??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,490 #17 Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Lee1977 said: A good percentage of Redsquare Members are Modifiders. Hey now, I represent that... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,783 #18 Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, SylvanLakeWH said: Off topic sort of...hey @pullstart “Currently...”? Is that a preview to another length inducing modification??? Well my goal was around 65” but I need to build my kick up yet, or raise the frame on the transmission mounting plate, or both, etc. We will see. I have cutters and welders and other cutters... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prondzy 3,881 #19 Posted February 5, 2020 17 hours ago, ebinmaine said: 1964 to 1966 all short frames 1056 was a long frame tractor 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,266 #20 Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, prondzy said: 1056 was a long frame tractor Oh? I thought that was the only big block short frame built. Mind you... I'm no authority. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cafoose 3,354 #21 Posted February 5, 2020 Was a big block short frame ever built? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
82Caddy 851 #22 Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, cafoose said: Was a big block short frame ever built? 1045 was a big block with a short frame. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,266 #23 Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, 82Caddy said: 1045 was a big block with a short frame. Okay I thought there was one back there somewhere. So that was a one-year only thing... Correct? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,663 #24 Posted February 5, 2020 875 and 1075 had the same frame 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prondzy 3,881 #25 Posted February 5, 2020 1055 big block short frame tall oil pan 1045 big block short frame shallow oil pan 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
