'Horse engine? What say you?

[ebinmaine 67,265]

@Stepney Brought this little engine to me a few months ago.

On paper rated at 1.5HP. It's an 8 cubic inch so it likely has more.

 

Thinking of throwing together a military tribute tractor at some point.

Mid 60s short frame gear drive.

Thoughts, comments, questions?

 

 

[Daddy Don 905]

Sounds like a great Ideal. Keep us posted on the project.

[pfrederi 17,662]

Mil Std engines are somewhat underrated.  The 42 cubic inch in my M274 Mule is rated at 14 hp.    Same cubic inch as a KT17.  The 8ci in yours is about the same as a Techy 2.5 or 3Hp single or a  K91 3 hp out of 8.9ci.

 

Has an advantage of being OHV more efficient perhaps a bit more output. 

 

Why not an older model nut roaster....

 

I PMed you the -14 and -14p

[SylvanLakeWH 25,490]

Cool idea!

 

When does she (oops I mean you) start?

 

[squonk 41,020]

[Pullstart 62,783]

Looks like fun EB!  If it struggles too much, you could gear it down with the pulleys.

[ebinmaine 67,265]

6 hours ago, pullstart said:

Looks like fun EB!  If it struggles too much, you could gear it down with the pulleys.

I didn't measure it yet but one of them is about the right size or a hair smaller, which would be good.

 

[Mike'sHorseBarn 2,984]

So just out of curiosity what would they have used that to power in the military? 

 

I agree with the above comment and find an old suburban 400/401/551 or RJ 58 or something like that and throw it in. Only thing is I doubt with the OHV it will fit under the hood.

[pfrederi 17,662]

19 minutes ago, Mike'sHorseBarn said:

So just out of curiosity what would they have used that to power in the military? 

 

I agree with the above comment and find an old suburban 400/401/551 or RJ 58 or something like that and throw it in. Only thing is I doubt with the OHV it will fit under the hood.

Signal corps had some small generators that had strange voltages but low amp requirements.

 

the two cylinder version was much more widely used 1.5kw generators

[ebinmaine 67,265]

33 minutes ago, Mike'sHorseBarn said:

So just out of curiosity what would they have used that to power in the military? 

 

I agree with the above comment and find an old suburban 400/401/551 or RJ 58 or something like that and throw it in. Only thing is I doubt with the OHV it will fit under the hood.

 

 

20 hours ago, pfrederi said:

 

Why not an older model nut roaster

 

 

If we build this it will be the first tractor that has a very limited capacity around the yard. We would use it for pulling loads of wood or the tool trailer out to the forest. Stuff like that.

 

Trina and I both like the early round hoods like that but neither one of us would drive one. We had one and we sold it because it was just way too light in the front.

 

the reason I am considering a mid-60s square Hood short frame is because we have a nearly complete one on hand that was once familiar to Adam. @Herder

That's an 856.

As conversions and builds go it would be fairly easy.

Remove a little sheet metal. Pressure wash. Bunch of painting. Figure out engine mount.

 

There are no cables to run or wiring to do.

 

What got me thinking about it is that I just really like the looks of this little engine and it runs great. Then I get the notice from Owls Head transportation museum for their upcoming calendar. This year's truck and tractor show is going to have a military bearing to it.

 

 

Well now. I have an engine that needs a tractor and I have a tractor that has the engine out of it...

 

[Herder 2,354]

5 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

 

 

 

If we build this it will be the first tractor that has a very limited capacity around the yard. We would use it for pulling loads of wood or the tool trailer out to the forest. Stuff like that.

 

Trina and I both like the early round hoods like that but neither one of us would drive one. We had one and we sold it because it was just way too light in the front.

 

the reason I am considering a mid-60s square Hood short frame is because we have a nearly complete one on hand that was once familiar to Adam. @Herder

That's an 856.

As conversions and builds go it would be fairly easy.

Remove a little sheet metal. Pressure wash. Bunch of painting. Figure out engine mount.

 

There are no cables to run or wiring to do.

 

What got me thinking about it is that I just really like the looks of this little engine and it runs great. Then I get the notice from Owls Head transportation museum for their upcoming calendar. This year's truck and tractor show is going to have a military bearing to it.

 

 

Well now. I have an engine that needs a tractor and I have a tractor that has the engine out of it...

 

Sounds like a great build.   I've been waiting patiently.  

[Stepney 2,325]

7 hours ago, Mike'sHorseBarn said:

So just out of curiosity what would they have used that to power in the military? 

 

 

With this 1A08 engine, I've seen a blower for inflating the field tents. There was a small self contained air compressor, a light duty 95v? Generator. I think I'm missing a few. 

[tom2p 2,394]

neat looking engine

 

but even if it produces double the rated horsepower (3 hp would be reasonable for 8 CI displacement ?)  - could be wishing for more ooomph if powering a 400 lb tractor with driver  ... ?

Edited February 4, 2020 by tom2p

[Mike'sHorseBarn 2,984]

Interesting...I like to learn the history of small engines in the military. I see a lot of military briggs engines over on Facebook on the briggs group.

[Stepney 2,325]

29 minutes ago, Mike'sHorseBarn said:

Interesting...I like to learn the history of small engines in the military. I see a lot of military briggs engines over on Facebook on the briggs group.

There were a number of different types there for sure. I have a few various models in mil.spec and consumer. Sometimes it was an odd change like shielded plug wire, some had entirely different cast blocks or 4000rpm internals..

[ebinmaine 67,265]

7 hours ago, tom2p said:

neat looking engine

 

but even if it produces double the rated horsepower (3 hp would be reasonable for 8 CI displacement ?)  - could be wishing for more ooomph if powering a 400 lb tractor with driver  ... ?

I think that's a fair assumption.

 

This one will be driven by Trina. Not exactly a large person. 

 

If it turns out not to have we need in speed & power there are other options.

We're going to put together a tractor for her mom (71 and going strong) to use while working in the forest.

If we add foot boards to it this would be a good candidate for that.

 

[tom2p 2,394]

18 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

I think that's a fair assumption.

 

This one will be driven by Trina. Not exactly a large person. 

 

If it turns out not to have we need in speed & power there are other options.

We're going to put together a tractor for her mom (71 and going strong) to use while working in the forest.

If we add foot boards to it this would be a good candidate for that.

 

 

 

I've seen video of Trina plowing - she is a horsepower gal !  lol

 

found this pic - I believe it is a RS member tractor - that engine would look great on a tractor like this 

 

 

Edited February 5, 2020 by tom2p