lynnmor 7,545 #1 Posted December 31, 2019 I needed to replace a starter on a P220G and didn't want to buy a Chinese one, so I ordered a Toro 112- 7023. I believe that was a mistake because it looks just like the cheap eBay junk but costs three times as much. It has a label warning against striking the starter probably because it has no screws holding the fields in place. There is no country of origin stamped on it and came in a Toro box. The original starter was made by Mitsubishi in Japan and was a quality piece. My suggestion is to buy parts to fix the original, buy a used one or just buy the cheap one online. Mine could not be rebuilt because of a severely worn commutator. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dclarke 4,055 #2 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 4:08 PM, lynnmor said: It has a label warning against striking the starter probably because it has no screws holding the fields in place. The fields might be magnets, striking the starter may result in a broken magnet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom2p 2,394 #3 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 4:08 PM, lynnmor said: I needed to replace a starter on a P220G and didn't want to buy a Chinese one, so I ordered a Toro 112- 7023. I believe that was a mistake because it looks just like the cheap eBay junk but costs three times as much. It has a label warning against striking the starter probably because it has no screws holding the fields in place. There is no country of origin stamped on it and came in a Toro box. The original starter was made by Mitsubishi in Japan and was a quality piece. My suggestion is to buy parts to fix the original, buy a used one or just buy the cheap one online. Mine could not be rebuilt because of a severely worn commutator. that is unfortunate I've also recently run into lesser quality 'OEM' Wheel Horse belts - purchased from reputable dealer - have the Toro name and part number - but after a quick glance can determine difference in appearance (*) and the durability is much lower replaced one of the newer junk 'OEM' belts after just a month or so because it was beginning to show significant wear the 15 year old belt I had removed looked much better * true Wheel Horse OEM belts are wrapped / molded ( or whatever ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onanparts.com 185 #4 Posted January 2, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 4:08 PM, lynnmor said: I needed to replace a starter on a P220G and didn't want to buy a Chinese one, so I ordered a Toro 112- 7023. I believe that was a mistake because it looks just like the cheap eBay junk but costs three times as much. It has a label warning against striking the starter probably because it has no screws holding the fields in place. There is no country of origin stamped on it and came in a Toro box. The original starter was made by Mitsubishi in Japan and was a quality piece. My suggestion is to buy parts to fix the original, buy a used one or just buy the cheap one online. Mine could not be rebuilt because of a severely worn commutator. Or you could replace it with a starter identical to the OEM Mitsubishi, as in an OEM Mitsibishi Made in Japan starter....Onan part # is 191-1949-04. That's all we keep on hand and they come directly to us from Cummins/Onan. Not cheap, but should last another 25-30+ years...unlike the toy starters from China..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,545 #5 Posted January 2, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 7:45 AM, onanparts.com said: Or you could replace it with a starter identical to the OEM Mitsubishi, as in an OEM Mitsibishi Made in Japan starter....Onan part # is 191-1949-04. That's all we keep on hand and they come directly to us from Cummins/Onan. Not cheap, but should last another 25-30+ years...unlike the toy starters from China..... That's what I thought I was buying since I ordered an OEM part. Apparently there is a shell game going on with Toro. It is good to know that the Mitsibishi starters are still available, I might just return the brand X since it is still in the box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onanparts.com 185 #6 Posted January 2, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 12:46 PM, lynnmor said: That's what I thought I was buying since I ordered an OEM part. Apparently there is a shell game going on with Toro. It is good to know that the Mitsibishi starters are still available, I might just return the brand X since it is still in the box. Shell game, exactly! :( It was for a time easy to tell the difference based on the cost. Well under $100.00 = cheap Chinese import. But now as you have discovered, the junk is also being marked way up and branded OEM. And showing up everywhere. This includes many other cheap/junk aftermarket Onan replacement parts. Gaskets, seals, carbs, ignition coils etc. Mostly on epay, but showing up on many resellers shelves too. Not much of an aftermarket existed for Onan parts until just the last few years. The reality is most of it is pure junk...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longbikez 3 #7 Posted August 9, 2022 I am also looking for a real starter 1989 WheelHorse 416-8 P216 onan motor, is it the same as you posted for Lynnmore? When I looked up the OE it was 112-7023 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longbikez 3 #8 Posted August 9, 2022 I typed in 191-1949-04 on the cummins parts and got no results, has there been a supersession? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longbikez 3 #9 Posted August 9, 2022 Per cummins chat this starter is history, buy a generic replacement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,545 #10 Posted August 9, 2022 On 8/9/2022 at 9:56 PM, longbikez said: I typed in 191-1949-04 on the cummins parts and got no results, has there been a supersession? That is the number on the original Mitsubishi starter. Find a used one on an auction site or get yours rebuilt, the Chinese ones are poor and possibly not even useable. The -04 at the end of the number is the position of the solenoid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
