Plow help!

[wheelwhores 107]

I just bought a c175...has a 54" plow.  I can't get the plow to hit the ground...hovers about a half in off ground.   Hydro lift is all the way down with slack in the chain....seems like is hung up on something in back where it mounts to the axel.

[WVHillbilly520H 10,373]

Pictures? Would help diagnose.

[wheelwhores 107]

[wheelwhores 107]

[wheelwhores 107]

[pfrederi 17,672]

Look like you are using a short frame plow on a long frame tractor.  54" plow what was it from???  C175 used 42 or 48" . 

[wheelwhores 107]

Not sure, can with the package of stuff....guy was a collector so he had a bunch of other WHs...and mod that can be done to address it?  I t has enough flex I can Puch it to the ground easily... But weight of plow alone won't keep it grounded.

[wheelwhores 107]

[wheelwhores 107]

[wheelwhores 107]

Here is the plow and serial number

 

[oliver2-44 9,696]

To modify it to fit you need to extend the frame with some rectangular tubing to the length of a long plow frame

[wallfish 16,985]

That frame appears long enough. Pretty sure they made a long A frame plow frame. If it will index to both side angles without hitting the front tires it's long enough. Maybe some pics around the lift areas will help figure out why it's hanging up.

Is it binding up here at the axle bracket?

[ol550 830]

Possibly the A frame hitting the inside of the rear axle bracket where John's arrow point is?

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,033]

The blade is a 1964 model BD-543 originally produced for the 953, 1054 and 1054A tractors.

Click on the picture

Garry

[The Tuul Crib 7,336]

Looks like the plow bracket is on 

wrong or Possibly backwards.Heres 

what it should look like.

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,033]

40 minutes ago, The Tool Crib said:

Looks like the plow bracket is on 

wrong or Possibly backwards.Heres 

what it should look like.

Notice how his bracket assembly is mounted on the front of the axle housing. This design has the A-frame inside the axle brackets.

Your bracket assembly is mounted on the bottom of the axle housing and the A-frame is on the outside.

 

Garry

[wheelwhores 107]

Garry.  Are you saying that his mounting configuration is the way mine should be configured?

[wheelwhores 107]

4 hours ago, wallfish said:

That frame appears long enough. Pretty sure they made a long A frame plow frame. If it will index to both side angles without hitting the front tires it's long enough. Maybe some pics around the lift areas will help figure out why it's hanging up.

Is it binding up here at the axle bracket?

Yes definitely binding at axel and not at the hydro lift area

[wallfish 16,985]

19 minutes ago, wheelwhores said:

Yes definitely binding at axel and not at the hydro lift area

I'll have to take a look at mine tomorrow. It's the same axle bracket but a short A frame plow, though it should still be the same setup. Yours does look kind of tight there and it shouldn't be tight enough to bind.

[wheelwhores 107]

1 hour ago, wallfish said:

I'll have to take a look at mine tomorrow. It's the same axle bracket but a short A frame plow, though it should still be the same setup. Yours does look kind of tight there and it shouldn't be tight enough to bind.

Thanks bud!...I have to say this is hands down the best forum/community I have been in

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,033]

8 hours ago, wheelwhores said:

Garry.  Are you saying that his mounting configuration is the way mine should be configured?

The axle brackets for the early dozers is what you have mounted ahead of the rear axle. The A-frame is an A-shape at the back end.

 

When they went to a dozer that would fit both long and short frame tractors the front of the A-frame is the same but the rear is like the bottom half of an H - the sides are parallel. These require a rear hitch mounted to the bottom of the axle.

 

The C-175 is a 1980-1984 long frame tractor. Here is a list of the blades in the order they were produced.

The 1963-1965 BD-543 you have is not included in the list because at the time they had not yet produced a long frame tractor. When they did it turns out the blade you have does fit a long frame tractor due to the simplicity of the design.

The 54" blades were only recommended for the 16hp  and up models from 1973 on but the rest of the kit was the same.

 

Dozer DNA of long tractor frame dozer blades

1966-1967 model BD-426 - Fits LONG frame tractors - Mounts ahead of the rear axle - replaced by

1968 model 6-1111 - Fits LONG frame tractors - Mounts ahead of the rear axle

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1968 model 6-4111 - First to fit LONG & SHORT frame tractors and first to mount under the rear axle - replaced by

1969 model [6-4112 + 6-9621]

1970-73 model [6-4113 + 6-9622]

1973-74 model [6-4113 + 6-9623]

1974 model [6-4114 + 6-9624]

1974 model 6-2131

1975 model 6-2132

1976 model 6-2133

1976 model 66-42BC01

1977 model 76-42BC01

1978 model 86-42BC01

1979 model 96-42BC01

1980 model 06-42BC01

1981-1984 model 06-42BC02 (Up to here including this one they are 42" wide)

1984-1989 model 06-48BC01 (They are now 48" wide) - replaced by the following

1990 model 06-48BC02 (Last blade to have 3 angle positions)

1991-1993 model 06-48BC03 (First blade to have 5 angle positions)

1993-2001 model 79350 - (105-1502 kit adapts 2001 and older GT Classic-Series blades to fit 2002 and later tractors

2002 2004-2009 2012 model 79364 - (105-1501 kit adapts 79364 blade to fit 2001 and older GT Classic-Series)

[wallfish 16,985]

Hmm, everything you have there looks right to me so not sure why it's binding but can't tell from your pic because of the angle how much space there is between the frame and the bracket.

This pic is with the blade down and it will float down quite a bit farther without binding. Notice the space between the frame and bracket.

 

1) Disconnect the lift linkage and test up and down movement by hand lifting and lowering the blade. Just be careful not to bounce all that leveraged weight because that's a lot of stress on the cast axle tube if it is binding there. Two people is best so you can look for the places it's binding while the frame is moving.

2) Drop the frame down out of the axle bracket and inspect all of the metal edges on the back of the frame and the bracket for the places it could be binding. Post some pics

3) Grind or cut about 1/8" - 1/4" off the back of the A frame behind the round bar. It will not effect the strength of the frame

 

 

[wallfish 16,985]

Something looks funny with that round bar too but maybe it's just the shadow from the pic. That bar should be a continuous dimension all the way through it's entire length but this looks like it is not. Is something changed there?

[Lee1977 6,647]

13 hours ago, wheelwhores said:

Garry.  Are you saying that his mounting configuration is the way mine should be configured?

 

You have an older snow blade bracket it is mounted the right way.  The later bracket mounted under the axle as in post # 16 by qwest.  Your plow frame is hitting the space bar on the bracket. 

 

The later style plow frame also mount out side of the bracket so there isn't binding.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Lee1977

[SylvanLakeWH 25,493]

I have a similar configuration as you but mounted on a 1982 C 105-8 speed...

 

PO rigged it and it works just fine...

 

Here are some pics. Hope they help...