Wheel horse

[Ronniejr 19]

Help me out I'm just trying to figure out what I have. The engine is incorrect and she slips out of third and rear axel seal leaks. What is a good oil to put in transmission??  Thanks Ronnie 

[troutbum70 857]

What you have there is a real beauty.

[Retired Wrencher 5,441]

Ronniejr     It appears to a nice tractor but I do not think that engine belongs in there. Nice fit though. Fix  what needs to be done and enjoy it.

[SylvanLakeWH 25,489]

[Racinbob 11,039]

Based on the foot rests and clutch/brake pedal it's a 1960. I'm thinking the tell-tell hole in the hood, round or rectangular, has been filled and a throttle added. As mentioned, the engine isn't original but a nice fit. Rear axle seals are easy to replace and available from one of our vendors here. Make sure the axles don't have slop, forward/back, up/down play or the new ones will leak. Slipping out of 3rd gear is due to a worn 3523 gear and the input gear/shaft might also be guilty. Put the transmission in 3rd with just the detents holding it. Then check for any in/out play at the input shaft. If there is any open it up and put the proper thickness thrust washer on the input shaft behind the input gear. Play with the thickness until ALL the play is gone. That might help or even fix it for a non-worker. 

[953 nut 55,056]

                                                                   

Here is a thread that @stevasaurus did covering you transmission. 

 

Edited October 5, 2019 by 953 nut

[rjg854 11,349]

Welcome @Ronniejr  some one has done a nice job keeping that  running.   A bit more TLC and some one is going to have a fine tractor, although not original, a nice example of an early Wheel Horse.

[The Tuul Crib 7,336]

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nice tractor!!

[AMC RULES 37,127]

Obviously a  custom there...aka a Franken-Horse (just in time for halloween).

Nothing wrong with that as long as it was tastefully done, and it keeps your horse alive to see another generation. 

You could always make a project out of returning it back to stock if that is your thing, just need to definitevely determine how it was configured when it left the factory.

Try like Bob said above...looking from underneath, was the original hole for the throttle/choke controls a round or square hole in the hood.

[stevasaurus 22,706]

Nice horse.  It will take about 1 1/2 to 2 qts of 90 wt oil for the trans.  Use one of the back side bolts to drain the old oil, there is no drain plug on the bottom of the trans.  You trans (if original) is a #5010.  

[Ronniejr 19]

17 hours ago, Racinbob said:

Based on the foot rests and clutch/brake pedal it's a 1960. I'm thinking the tell-tell hole in the hood, round or rectangular, has been filled and a throttle added. As mentioned, the engine isn't original but a nice fit. Rear axle seals are easy to replace and available from one of our vendors here. Make sure the axles don't have slop, forward/back, up/down play or the new ones will leak. Slipping out of 3rd gear is due to a worn 3523 gear and the input gear/shaft might also be guilty. Put the transmission in 3rd with just the detents holding it. Then check for any in/out play at the input shaft. If there is any open it up and put the proper thickness thrust washer on the input shaft behind the input gear. Play with the thickness until ALL the play is gone. That might help or even fix it for a non-worker. 

 

[Ronniejr 19]

Thanks for the info on this. There is a round hole that someone has filled on the hood. I tried to lift it and wiggle the rear tires. Seemed pretty tight but rolled the lawn today and had oil all over the inside of the rim??Who is the vendor I can get the deal from?? Thanks Ronnie 

[Ronniejr 19]

11 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

Nice horse.  It will take about 1 1/2 to 2 qts of 90 wt oil for the trans.  Use one of the back side bolts to drain the old oil, there is no drain plug on the bottom of the trans.  You trans (if original) is a #5010.  

 

37 minutes ago, Ronniejr said:

Thanks for the info on this. There is a round hole that someone has filled on the hood. I tried to lift it and wiggle the rear tires. Seemed pretty tight but rolled the lawn today and had oil all over the inside of the rim??Who is the vendor I can get the deal from?? Thanks Ronnie 

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[953 nut 55,056]

7 hours ago, Ronniejr said:

Who is the vendor

https://www.wheelhorsepartsandmore.com/

[Racinbob 11,039]

7 hours ago, Ronniejr said:

Thanks for the info on this. There is a round hole that someone has filled on the hood. I tried to lift it and wiggle the rear tires. Seemed pretty tight but rolled the lawn today and had oil all over the inside of the rim??Who is the vendor I can get the deal from?? Thanks Ronnie 

 

The round hole indicates a 61 but the foot rests and pedals are 60 but you can bet that any leftover from 60 went on the 61's. 

[Ronniejr 19]

Well guys I got the left side axle seal on and for a couple days no leaks. After driving it around several times it's leaking again not as bad this time though. Did I do something wrong installing the new seal??  Seemed pretty straight forward to put on the new one. I really don't want to gut the gear box but i will because it's cool and it does slip out of third

[wallfish 16,982]

10 hours ago, Ronniejr said:

Well guys I got the left side axle seal on and for a couple days no leaks. After driving it around several times it's leaking again not as bad this time though. Did I do something wrong installing the new seal??  Seemed pretty straight forward to put on the new one. I really don't want to gut the gear box but i will because it's cool and it does slip out of third

Most likely the axle bearings are worn and allowing the axle to wobble. The seal can't seal when the axle is moving laterally. The bearings in those old trannys are bronze bushings. There should be no movement up down left or right, only a little in and out.

[Racinbob 11,039]

Slipping out of 3rd gear indicates a worn 3523 gear and possibly the input gear/shaft. Before you open her up try this check. Put the tractor in 3rd gear. You'll feel the detent balls engage in the detents on the shift rail. Leave the shifter there and see if there's any in/out play at the input shaft/pulley. There should be zero in/out play. If there is any, after you open it put an arbor shim of the appropriate thickness on the input shaft behind the gear when you reassemble it. That will assure that the 3523 stays fully engaged to the input gear. If your gears are marginal that will help out and may just fix it. 

[clueless 2,975]

Looks like you have a nice 60/61 suburban that you need to open the trans and do a little work. It also looks like you have a lot of simplicitys . 

Welcome .