Ags or chains?

[67 WH 877 62]

All around best to use for snow removal and gardening...Ags or chains? 

[ebinmaine 67,307]

I don't do gardening but we do snow removal.

 

In the winter here on the mountain I use both. And LOTS of weight.

AG's may be a little better gripping than turfs but any rubber in the snow and ice is useless.

CHAINS AND WEIGHTS ARE A MUST FOR SNOW.

 

The rest of the year for forest work and general yard duty...

AG's are great.

But....

Trina uses turfs with chains and has no issues with traction.

 

[pfrederi 17,674]

For hard packed snow / Ice Turfs and chains  (You can put chains on AGs but they need dual link or double ring design.  Other wise they tend to settle in between the lugs.)

[ebinmaine 67,307]

45 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

For hard packed snow / Ice Turfs and chains  (You can put chains on AGs but they need dual link or double ring design.  Other wise they tend to settle in between the lugs.)

Agreed.

 

Last winter I was running a set of four links and they did have a tendency to fall between the lug bars but the ones I had were ice cleat chains so they are a larger link. I did still have to adjust them several times throughout the Winter though.

 

[PeacemakerJack 10,738]

This is a topic that will have opinions on both sides of the fence by good guys.  I will not try to convince you of the other side, just share my experience...

 

I love AG tires!  They are on over half of my tractors.  I like the look of them, I like the traction that they provide, and I like the look of them (did I say that already).  

 

However, I have found on my gravel drive here in NE Wisconsin that AG’s alone just don’t give enough grip especially if you have ice buildup on the gravel.  For any snow removal, my choice would undoubtedly be turfs and chains, for everything else—I’m an AG tire guy.  My AG’s alone have left me spinning in snow multiple times wishing that I had my chains...

 

However, for gardening, I love running AG’s for my garden work.

 

 

Just my .02 cents!  Good luck on your choice.

[ebinmaine 67,307]

1 hour ago, PeacemakerJack said:

I like the look of them, ....., and I like the look of them

 

 

Okay okay right but do you like the way they look?

 

[857 horse 2,581]

3 hours ago, PeacemakerJack said:

This is a topic that will have opinions on both sides of the fence by good guys.  I will not try to convince you of the other side, just share my experience...

 

I love AG tires!  They are on over half of my tractors.  I like the look of them, I like the traction that they provide, and I like the look of them (did I say that already).  

 

However, I have found on my gravel drive here in NE Wisconsin that AG’s alone just don’t give enough grip especially if you have ice buildup on the gravel.  For any snow removal, my choice would undoubtedly be turfs and chains, for everything else—I’m an AG tire guy.  My AG’s alone have left me spinning in snow multiple times wishing that I had my chains...

 

However, for gardening, I love running AG’s for my garden work.

 

 

Just my .02 cents!  Good luck on your choice.

  EVERYTHING BADD JACK SAID......NOT 1 WORD CHANGED.............WELL.SEPT THE BADD PART,,,,,,,HE'S A GOOD GUY !!!!!!!!!!!!!

SNOW,,,TURFFS AND CHAINS.... 

[Tractorhead 9,064]

Chains and weight will be essencial, no doubt about it.

 

i tryed last winter crossed chains, the did a good job.

With added weight i get the required Pressure to the street

and the Crossed chains work fine on the AG‘s.

 

Without the Chains, the Weight was uselessly, even on AG‘s.

 

The crossed Chains has the advantage on AG‘s, they don‘t slip between cleats,

and you didn‘t slip that strong sideway‘s on push heavier Snow with them.

 

The question wasn‘t Chains or AG‘s, the better question must be

How much weight in addition to chains.

 

Just my 2 cents

[Darb1964 1,042]

Chains and lots of weight,I'm going to put chains on the front also this year. 

[mmmmmdonuts 274]

Chains definitely.  I put Ag tires on my loader and used European diamond chains on mine. This is where I got mine: https://www.tirechain.com/23X10.50X12.htm

 

If you want maximum traction and don't have pavement use v-bar style

Edited September 30, 2019 by mmmmmdonuts

[Andy N. 2,136]

Chains and weights all day long!

[67 WH 877 62]

Thanks for the advice y'all....I'll p/u some chains then. 

[Tractorhead 9,064]

This was my first Chain Setup.

this was V chains, but they slipped sometimes in cleat.

 

 

We had this year extreme Wet and Heavy Snow.

plow allone was not an option to get the driveway Clean, so i must handle it with my little FEL to remove.

 

Later i reworked the Chains to a x-Style, but o have actual no pics from.

It was the best improvement i did this Winter.

 

As weight on the Rearaxle, i used a old and defect 120Ah Car battery with a mounting Bracket

i build quickly, with about 39 Kilos at all behind The Axle.

 

This year i will do it in combination with my 4WD Iseki.

The horse with Snowplow for the light snow ( to protect the Axles) and the Iseki with FEL and 4WD to move it away,

out in the Fields.

 

 

Curious how this Thing works with 4WD but without chains.

 

[ebinmaine 67,307]

29 minutes ago, Tractorhead said:

Curious how this Thing works with 4WD but without chains.

Keep us posted on that.

 

Our neighbor across the street has a four-wheel-drive farm tractor with no chains and he slips quite a lot on the ice.

[pfrederi 17,674]

One thing to remember about AGs ..They are directional.  The do well going forward but are very poor in reverse.  Some farmers with 4wd tractors will mount the front AGs backwards so they can back up out of trouble better.

[Darb1964 1,042]

My kubota 3010has industrial tires on it and I push the frozen banks back with it every year without chains. It is 4wd. And slips on ice but I still can do it without much trouble. I have been stuck a few times when the snow was so deep I could not push it out with the bucket. That sucks and takes a lot of shoveling and cussing chains would prevent that.

[Tractorhead 9,064]

I‘m curious, because i didn‘t have normal AG‘s, that‘s the Ricefieldtyres with the longer paddles.

I just tried last year a small ammount, because just fiddeling quickly the Plow onto it’s Front.

 

My first try was impressive enough in 36cm deep snow.

 

Oh, got a pict short before i did ..😎

 

 

But this pict was taken before this Action

and after the Pic while the Horse working.😎

 

I just made this Test, because i been curious to see if and how it’s work.  😎

 

I mounted quick 2 Angleirons 36cm long with 4cm Angleside by 3 mm thickness i had in scrap,

as a simple bracket. ( all screwed with M10 Bolts).

The stiffener‘s was made parently with same material and the planed weakpoint (silver)

was just an proof of concept and 2mm thick, but it lasts.😇

 

To be able to lift that simple construct, i using a steelrope on the Front, just to see if this will work.

The Steel rope will be acting as a winch and was attached on Rear 3Point Lift with few levers.

 

The basic function was nicely given, until i tried how deep it can plow out in the fields.

i wanna Try, if and when this Beast hungs or stuck.

 

Take that story short, after plow 500 meters in the Fields,

i hear a loud Crack, and the steel rope rips, the Angleironbrackets bends like a few matches.😱

but that beast still pushes forward. 😂

Honestly i didn‘t try to drive rewards, but in forward i make a circle and be back on the street,

but with a now unusable Plowshield.😎

 

This Beast seemd to be unstoppable with this Tyres, 4WD and Diff Lock, 

so im curios after the improvements and few Kilos more, how it will do it‘s job now.

 

I will show my experiences, promised.

 

Added text 

 

@Darb1964 thanks for your Note with the Shoveling on Stuck, that is a good point !

 

but because i didn‘t want to shovel by hands, i have build 2 FEL‘s.. 😂

-just in Case- 

 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Tractorhead
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[bc.gold 3,403]

Two link on loaded Ag's with limited slip diff, 1975 Simplicity 9020 with original Onan.

 

No cross ties necessary, To get the chains on snug you can deflate the tire bu a few psi then reinflate once the chains have been installed.

 

Chains are bidirectional, the pair I'm using were repurposed from a set of commercial truck chains that were made for use on Canadian ice roads.

 

Ice Road, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_road

 

I keep the fenders off as a broken chain can ruin one in a hurry and someday I may want to restore this tractor back to its original condition.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2019 by bcgold

[67 WH 877 62]

4 hours ago, bcgold said:

Two link on loaded Ag's with limited slip diff, 1975 Simplicity 9020 with original Onan.

 

No cross ties necessary, To get the chains on snug you can deflate the tire bu a few psi then reinflate once the chains have been installed.

 

Chains are bidirectional, the pair I'm using were repurposed from a set of commercial truck chains that were made for use on Canadian ice roads.

 

Ice Road, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_road

 

I keep the fenders off as a broken chain can ruin one in a hurry and someday I may want to restore this tractor back to its original condition.

 

 

I am considering doing the same with the truck chains..set on market place for $20

[Tractorhead 9,064]

19 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

Keep us posted on that.

 

Our neighbor across the street has a four-wheel-drive farm tractor with no chains and he slips quite a lot on the ice.

 

Hi Eric,

On pure ice i bet it also will slip, that‘s for shure.

But it depends, if 4WD and diff lock can do the trick a bit better.

 

if not, i guess i will sit on this Beast while slipping with an earworm

“dancing in the Street“ by David Bowie.. 😂😂

[Tractorhead 9,064]

Chains here where sold as they where made of gold.

simple 12“ can ain‘t found in a reasonable pricerange, even used ones.

 

I also doubt, that they will work with my ricefieldtyres, because the cleat are much higher than the normal AG‘s.

But they‘re more soft on the cleats, but we will see how this works.

If no work was sensefully possible, what i doubt, i have still my Wheelhorse, that does the Trick.

 

[pfrederi 17,674]

5 hours ago, Tractorhead said:

Chains here where sold as they where made of gold.

simple 12“ can ain‘t found in a reasonable pricerange, even used ones.

 

I also doubt, that they will work with my ricefieldtyres, because the cleat are much higher than the normal AG‘s.

But they‘re more soft on the cleats, but we will see how this works.

If no work was sensefully possible, what i doubt, i have still my Wheelhorse, that does the Trick.

 

 

 

These are 35 year old chains i purchased while in Germany for my Honda Civic (12" wheels) You can put them on without moving the tire. I have the original package out in the shop. They work great and are smooth riding....

 

 

[Tractorhead 9,064]

@pfrederi

 

i will take a search like a Radar..

get my Wheelhorse chains last year as an special offer for just 40€ - what is similar to US$

 

but a few day‘s later they offered them for „just“ 129€...😎 droped from 168€ in the advertise... 😂😂

that what i meant... 

 

i still have a look for, and if i found them in a usable range i will acting.

As i allway‘s tolds, it’s better to have than to need 👍

[pfrederi 17,674]

On 10/2/2019 at 12:08 PM, Tractorhead said:

@pfrederi

 

i will take a search like a Radar..

get my Wheelhorse chains last year as an special offer for just 40€ - what is similar to US$

 

but a few day‘s later they offered them for „just“ 129€...😎 droped from 168€ in the advertise... 😂😂

that what i meant... 

 

i still have a look for, and if i found them in a usable range i will acting.

As i allway‘s tolds, it’s better to have than to need 👍

 

The price sticker is still there but I can no longer read the actual dm price...and obviously do not remember...

 

 

[Tractorhead 9,064]

DM prices are at least 20 years gone.

Now we have the Euro, what meant in fact double the price or half of money after...  🤔

 

however, i found a set for low cost 12“ and a second set in 16“ for the rear in the flee bay.

i write the seller for a good offer of both.

Both will be crossed chains with quickmount, similar to your system..