NEEDED model 854 pictures WANTED

[BPjunk 184]

For the die cast tractor model project I need pictures of a model 854. The tractor must be restored correctly or completly show room stock. Must have Ag tires, red and white seat cover, two spoke steering wheel, mushroom type Kohler muffler, all belt guards with correct decals. Pictures need from all angles with hood on and off.

THANK YOU

Bill in Richmond, Va.

[T-Mo-(Moderator) 4,533]

Bill,

So the 854 was the winner of the poll. What scale? I wish I could help you on finding a good picture of one. Too bad the company making this couldn't get their hands on the real thing. :D

[TT-(Moderator) 1,145]

I'm glad to hear that the 854 model was selected.

The best thing I could offer a picture of would be a NOS 854 hoodstand, and I definitely know my tractor is not the "pattern specimen" you're looking for.

I can't wait to see a finished product though! :P

[69DEZ 4]

:thumbs: And I pass on this!!

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/grd/522655156.html :wtf: STUPID STUPID :D

[CasualObserver 3,410]

Well Bill... there's your pictures... contact the owner! Good lookin' out 69Dez :thumbs:

[BPjunk 184]

I did get some pictures of a 854 that are real nice out of western PA but I may have to buy the decals for the guys tractor to make it right!

I will be making a trip to the south central part of PA to look at another .... I hate to seem picky BUT I want the scale model to look right!

I would have drove to Milwaukee for that 854 at that price!

Bill in Richmond, Va,

[Buzz 502]

Bill, is that headlight the original "Cyclops" one made by Wheel horse?

[BPjunk 184]

Bill, is that headlight the original "Cyclops" one made by Wheel horse?

Buzz,

It does look real close to a HL-6 kit, the mouning base does not look right as the one for a HL-6 had a long mount because it uses the holes for the hood ornament.

Yeah that single head light is neat but it ain't a St Bernard gas tank is it?

Bill in Richmond, Va.

[Buzz 502]

Yeah that single head light is neat but it ain't a St Bernard gas tank is it?

Bill in Richmond, Va.

The extra tank really added character, I sure wish I'd taken a picture of it with it on............Everyone remembers the picture that was on ebay but I never took one myself :thumbs:

[Rollerman 290]

Buzz I seem to recall seeing a picture of it on one of the Yahoo groups sometime ago?

[CasualObserver 3,410]

Hey Bill, I was wondering... with this scale model of the 854, wouldn't it be neat to include an "owners packet" or something? I have the price list from 1964, I just posted it in the Literature gallery. I also have a nice clean black and white copy too. I think it would be neat to include that either in or even on the box. Would you be interested in that for including in/on the packaging? Just spit-balling ideas. It looks like muka (Kevin B. ) might have the original brochure? A copy of that (or reduced size copy) would be neat too!

I don't know if you've seen the Gravely L scale model they did a couple years ago, but they included a mini-copy of the owners manual in it. Pretty neat. I bought one of them for my Father-in-law. (he collects Gravely... passes all the WH he comes across to me! )

[T-Mo-(Moderator) 4,533]

Jason,

That's an interesting idea - but you may have to run that one by Toro's legal department. :thumbs:

[DMESS 24]

Just diggin' up an old post to see how BP is making out with this. Hope I'm the luckey donor. Bill ya' never told me she had to have ag tires and a seat cover! I'd a picked up an ebay cover and put the ags on off of the RJ-58.

I bought this one when I was 13 for $100. 19 years ago! Didn't look as good then. Believe it or not everything is original other then the paint, 4 decals, new gas cap and the carriage bolt in the seat. Okay we put a drive belt on it, but the SG belt is still original. Tires still have the small number labels on them and it still had a "Wheel Horse" battery in it when I found it. The tractor sat somewhere for a LONG time and I will never know/understand why. It runs perfect with TONS of compression and we've never opened the engine. Whole machine was as tight as new. Wish they were all this way when you find them.

[520HC 208]

Dustin that is beyond NICE.Thanks for sharing!!!!!

[PetesPonies 0]

Beautiful tractor!! I will be using this in restoring/cleaning up my new 854. Can you tell me about the coil and coil bracket, even the condenser . Are they painted? Red? Black? or are the brackets plated??

[DMESS 24]

Beautiful tractor!! I will be using this in restoring/cleaning up my new 854. Can you tell me about the coil and coil bracket, even the condenser . Are they painted? Red? Black? or are the brackets plated??

The engines actually arrived from Kohler already painted. And it is my opinion that they used better paint than Wheel Horse (or had better application equipment) because the engine paint seems to hold up better after 30-40 years than the paint on the rest of the tractor. From most tractors I have seen that I could determine to be original paint and so forth, Kohler painted everything as one assembly. Coil, condenser, carb, fuel pump & feed line to the carb, plug lead, you name it. Muffler, data tag, decals were about all that wasn't painted. From a resto/detail standpoint we paint all of these items EXCEPT the carb and fuel pump/brass feed line. Not 100% correct, but a nice clean carb body/fuel pump looks good and you dont have paint all over your adjustment needles etc.

[Kelly 1,030]

Very nice restored tractor, most are not that clean and detailed. The lettering on the blower housing were the gray or just worn down over the years? I have some, orig, paint that the gray primer is coming through, and others that are still red. And as I just said they primed the motors and that I'm sure helped the paint live for more years as WH did not prime anything.

[DMESS 24]

Very nice restored tractor, most are not that clean and detailed. The lettering on the blower housing were the gray or just worn down over the years? I have some, orig, paint that the gray primer is coming through, and others that are still red. And as I just said they primed the motors and that I'm sure helped the paint live for more years as WH did not prime anything.

From what I can tell IMO, and I've got several original 62'-64' Kohler powered Horses to use as an example, Kohler either painted the letters or cleaned the paint back off them quickly after the painting process. It does look more like the primer showing from underneath so that was probably the trick. I brush paint them with some Testors enamel to replicate the look. I'm not 100% certain when they started this trick or when they stopped, but I'm quite positive it was done intentionally.

Here's a pic that is the best proof I can come up with. I've got a shot of a family owned 633 somewhere from back in the day also, but not handy.

[DMESS 24]

The three in the foreground are original. Forth in the background is a K-141 swapped onto a 603 that was painted.

[Kelly 1,030]

Thanks for the info, Nice looking tractors you have there. even carpeted for them. Helps with rust? still have the one in the photo? or that one was not you familys?

[DMESS 24]

Thanks for the info, Nice looking tractors you have there. even carpeted for them. Helps with rust? still have the one in the photo? or that one was not you familys?

That's actually my basement. Same one a certain horse hunter found a 653 in. I've lost track of how many places we have tractors hiding in! I think there are 16 in the basement, one under the sun porch, 2 in the garage and the old man has at least 10 at his place now. We've even downsized over the years!

B&W pic is no relation just a cool pic I found and kept for reference. It just came in handy! :thumbs:

[T-Mo-(Moderator) 4,533]

Dustin,

Nice looking tractor. And that is some stash of horses you have hidden away in your basement. But now Bill knows your secret hiding places. :thumbs:

[PetesPonies 0]

I found some black paint under the red on the coil. I then can assume they were painted black as they left the coil factory ( AC ? ) and then were painted red when installed on the engines. I too like to see contrast and detail, so I think I'll embelish some and add some more detail work. It looks too much like overspray when everything is one color ) I know the fron of the engine is mostly covered by the hood, but I can't put it back togther messy. This is my auto restoration self coming out. Question at the hood . . at the front bottom there is one bolt . . how does this work? I ask because the treaded portion is spot welded to the hood, so placing a bolt through the front would not make any connection with the frame to hold it on. My tractor was not being held here. Also, the two bolts that hold the hood on at the dash area . .mine has two knurled finger bolts. But they are different sizes. I'm guessing one is correct and the other from something else? What should be there and what is the diameter of the knurled area??

[CasualObserver 3,410]

Also, the two bolts that hold the hood on at the dash area . .mine has two knurled finger bolts. But they are different sizes. I'm guessing one is correct and the other from something else? What should be there and what is the diameter of the knurled area??

Pete if someone doesn't answer this during the day, I'll measure mine tonight after work. I have a set of NOS bolts in my toolbox. One of your two is probably right. it should be big, if that helps for now. By the way... the bottom bolt should have the same size knurled head as the top two. It's just a longer bolt.

[Tennessee Country Boy 0]

hey Bill,

Have a nice 854 w/cycle bar.

Henry

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