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[The Tuul Crib 7,338]

15 minutes ago, stevasaurus said:

Well. a picture is worth a thousand words.  The #5085 is a 4 speed transmission and it would have appeared in the 1973 8 hsp, 4 speed (1-0120) with a Kohler.  What you have has been replaced at some time.  You have what is called a 3 speed.  The brake drum is on the 11/44 toothed gear shaft.  Somebody had to jury-mander the brake linkage to make that work. There is nothing wrong with that transmission.  Pretty much the difference between a 3 and a 4 speed is where the brake drum is mounted...mushroom gear shaft or the cluster gear shaft.  As far as what the # of your trans is...it is either a #5025, #5046, #5049, #5053..  If your shift rails are round...call it a #5025.  If your shift rails have a flat running the length of the shift rails...call it a #5053.  All of the internal parts of the 3 speeds are interchangeable, and all the seals, bearings and gasket are the same in all of the above transmissions.    Oh, and that pulley on the input shaft should be a 4" pulley...then it would line up.  

 

With a 4" pulley on the input shaft and a 2 1/2" drive pulley on the Kohler 8, I would think it should use the same belt as a 1967...857.     1/2" x 70"  if the tractor frames are the same length.

Thanx steve that is what l needed! I didnt 

think that like the correct pulley for the input shaft.  If I can get the motor running decent I'll keep the tractor if not I'm going to part it out . !!

[stevasaurus 22,956]

Here is what that trans pulley looks like...bottom left.  A - Z tractors should have one fairly cheap.  You may still have to use string to measure belt length.

 

your pulley was probably on the 8 speed trans

 

[The Tuul Crib 7,338]

3 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

Here is what that trans pulley looks like...bottom left.  A - Z tractors should have one fairly cheap.  You may still have to use string to measure belt length.

 

your pulley was probably on the 8 speed trans

 

 So does that 8 at the end of the model number mean the  horsepower or the trans?

[stevasaurus 22,956]

the trans is what the 8 stands for...your model number came with an 8 speed trans...no doubt about it.  The 4 speed had it's own model number for 1973.  This was not a case of Wheel Horse using what was on the shelf...and they would never have replaced it with a trans from the 1960's.  The brake drum on the mushroom gear shaft tells the whole story.  Most of those stories about Wheel Horse using things from the shelf are from the 50's and early 60's...and some of that happened in the horses that were built in Belgium.  But even in Belgium, it was not slap happy...the C-100 would be the Raider 10 (that is just an example). 

[Retired Wrencher 5,547]

18 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

Well. a picture is worth a thousand words.  The #5085 is a 4 speed transmission and it would have appeared in the 1973 8 hsp, 4 speed (1-0120) with a Kohler.  What you have has been replaced at some time.  You have what is called a 3 speed.  The brake drum is on the 11/44 toothed gear shaft.  Somebody had to jury-mander the brake linkage to make that work. There is nothing wrong with that transmission.  Pretty much the difference between a 3 and a 4 speed is where the brake drum is mounted...mushroom gear shaft or the cluster gear shaft.  As far as what the # of your trans is...it is either a #5025, #5046, #5049, #5053..  If your shift rails are round...call it a #5025.  If your shift rails have a flat running the length of the shift rails...call it a #5053.  All of the internal parts of the 3 speeds are interchangeable, and all the seals, bearings and gasket are the same in all of the above transmissions.    Oh, and that pulley on the input shaft should be a 4" pulley...then it would line up.  

 

With a 4" pulley on the input shaft and a 2 1/2" drive pulley on the Kohler 8, I would think it should use the same belt as a 1967...857.     1/2" x 70"  if the tractor frames are the same length.

So Steve any thoughts of what I had in the one I had? It always seemed weird to me.

[stevasaurus 22,956]

@Retierd Wrencher  I read what you wrote on the 1st page, and it doesn't really tell me enough yet.  So, what was the model number, any history, what did you have for a trans (hi/low)?  Where did the brake drum sit?  Any idea how long those axles are?

 

I know the 73' Commando had longer axles...to move the tires out from the fenders.  That would be the #5085...1" axles, 4 pinions and a 4 speed.  Maybe, if you also had the 1-0370 you had a 4 speed replacement instead of the 3 speed.  Brake drum position is important.  Let's see what you've got.  

[Retired Wrencher 5,547]

Steve sorry I do not have any more. It had three forward one reverse. Just always wondered why it was like this. It was a good little tractor. Take care.

Edited September 10, 2019 by Retierd Wrencher