8 horse no name

[The Tuul Crib 7,338]

 I'm working on this 8 horse no name And I'm trying to find some information on drive belt size. Been looking through the manuals and haven't located much of anything.  Would like to find out more information about the tractor such as what transmission it has and it's electrical system. 

[pfrederi 18,071]

Manual section will help you

 

 

 

 

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,148]

More here

Garry

[ebinmaine 69,202]

Randy that should be a basic twin in it's build to my 1974 B80.

What did you want to know about the transmission?

[The Tuul Crib 7,338]

36 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Randy that should be a basic twin in it's build to my 1974 B80.

What did you want to know about the transmission?

 All I really need to know about it is what model number trans it is. It is a 1 inch axle.  Right now I'm just trying to get the motor running. If it runs decent and doesn't smoke then I will clean it up some more but not restore it .  Kind of a yard dog if you will !  The belt I figured out is 

5/8 x 82.

[ebinmaine 69,202]

Should be a 4 pinion, 4 speed.

Good transmissions.

I don't know the model number. @stevasaurus might be able to help you.

 

That'd be a great yard rig for you.

 

[The Tuul Crib 7,338]

2 hours ago, gwest_ca said:

More here

Garry

Gary all the numbers match with what you gave me but nothing said about a four-speed.Is it possible that this was replaced with a four-speed?

[ebinmaine 69,202]

Randy I think those ONLY came with a 4-speed. No other options.

[pfrederi 18,071]

Learned something..never realized the big HP no names had 10 pinion differentials....  8 and 10 had 4 pinion

[ebinmaine 69,202]

2 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

Learned something..never realized the big HP no names had 10 pinion differentials....  8 and 10 had 4 pinion

Must be the last year for that?

 

[The Tuul Crib 7,338]

1 minute ago, ebinmaine said:

Randy I think those ONLY came with a 4-speed. No other options.

 OK then if the no-name eight speed was a 5086 what was the four-speed number ? 

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

[ebinmaine 69,202]

If yours was swapped in and originally was 8-speed there's no way of knowing unless you find some casting numbers and identify which shaft the brake drum is on.

 

If its original I'm thinking it would be the same one as my 1974...

[The Tuul Crib 7,338]

5 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

If yours was swapped in and originally was 8-speed there's no way of knowing unless you find some casting numbers and identify which shaft the brake drum is on.

 

If its original I'm thinking it would be the same one as my 1974...

When l got this one he said it was a 72 model. So would that be a pre 73 that had a 4 spd? 

[pfrederi 18,071]

Apparently there were some other no name 8 hp that did come with 4 speed trannies.  but the model number was 1-0120 not 1-0320.  if you do not have high low range then I would guess you have a 5085 transmission.  whether it was swapped or just a production anomaly  is your guess.

[The Tuul Crib 7,338]

7 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

Apparently there were some other no name 8 hp that did come with 4 speed trannies.  but the model number was 1-0120 not 1-0320.  if you do not have high low range then I would guess you have a 5085 transmission.  whether it was swapped or just a production anomaly  is your guess.

So would this be a rare one  possibly or...

[ebinmaine 69,202]

I don't know if it is rare or not but as we all know Wheel Horse company would use what they had left over every year.

If yours was a 1972 it should have been a named horse. Charger, electro, raider, etc....

 

Does the side of your horse have any stickers that indicate 4 speed or 8-speed?

 

 

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,148]

In 1973 there was 8hp vertical shaft 4-speeds and 8hp horizontal shaft 4-speeds.

Click on the picture to see the Details page.

Garry

[The Tuul Crib 7,338]

Just now, ebinmaine said:

I don't know if it is rare or not but as we all know Wheel Horse company would use what they had left over every year.

If yours was a 1972 it should have been a named horse. Charger, electro, raider, etc....

 

Does the side of your horse have any stickers that indicate 4 speed or 8-speed?

 

 

No there is nothing to indicate that at all. I'm looking at this chart my model # 

10370 should be an 8 spd. 

[ebinmaine 69,202]

I would say it's likely that it was swapped out at some point over the years.

[The Tuul Crib 7,338]

If so then are there some casting numbers 

to help to  identify this one? Maybe 

@stevasaurus could help on this one!

Edited September 8, 2019 by The Tool Crib

[ebinmaine 69,202]

[Retired Wrencher 5,546]

Randy I had a no name 73 the tranny had a different axel set up than the B80 had. As you can see by this pick. Not sure why they had the extended axels on there. Still a good tractor. Enjoy it.

[stevasaurus 22,955]

I'm a little confused about what is being said in this thread.  1-0370 should be a 1973 8 hsp with the #5086 8 speed, 4 pinion with 1" axles.  If this does not have the hi/low shifter or a place for it then it was replaced with a 4 speed.  Give me a picture of the top of the trans by the shifter and a good picture of where the brake drum is.  

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1 hour ago, stevasaurus said:

I'm a little confused about what is being said in this thread.  1-0370 should be a 1973 8 hsp with the #5086 8 speed, 4 pinion with 1" axles.  If this does not have the hi/low shifter or a place for it then it was replaced with a 4 speed.  Give me a picture of the top of the trans by the shifter and a good picture of where the brake drum is.  

 This is not making sense to me either by the chart it should have an eight speed with that model number. The shaft on the pulley on the drive side seems wrong as well. Does not stick all the way out to the end of the Pulley.  I'm just trying to figure out which transmission it might be 

[stevasaurus 22,955]

Well. a picture is worth a thousand words.  The #5085 is a 4 speed transmission and it would have appeared in the 1973 8 hsp, 4 speed (1-0120) with a Kohler.  What you have has been replaced at some time.  You have what is called a 3 speed.  The brake drum is on the 11/44 toothed gear shaft.  Somebody had to jury-mander the brake linkage to make that work. There is nothing wrong with that transmission.  Pretty much the difference between a 3 and a 4 speed is where the brake drum is mounted...mushroom gear shaft or the cluster gear shaft.  As far as what the # of your trans is...it is either a #5025, #5046, #5049, #5053..  If your shift rails are round...call it a #5025.  If your shift rails have a flat running the length of the shift rails...call it a #5053.  All of the internal parts of the 3 speeds are interchangeable, and all the seals, bearings and gasket are the same in all of the above transmissions.    Oh, and that pulley on the input shaft should be a 4" pulley...then it would line up.  

 

With a 4" pulley on the input shaft and a 2 1/2" drive pulley on the Kohler 8, I would think it should use the same belt as a 1967...857.     1/2" x 70"  if the tractor frames are the same length.