What is in Trufuel?

[870express 116]

What's in this stuff?  It doesn't smell like gasoline, more like benzene or toluene.  Google search only says "it's proprietary".  Hmmm  .  .  .

At any rate, my chainsaws and weedeater like it.  No more gummed-up carburetors.

[ebinmaine 67,275]

I don't know what's in it but it's WWAAYY too expensive to be a good value... (Unless you have no other access to ethanol free gas in your area.)

 

$25 - $40 per gallon or more!!!

 

I get e-0 91 octane for $3.69 plus about $1 for the 2-cycle mix.

 

I have great running engines with a long service interval.

 

[bc.gold 3,403]

Trufuel blends are cited in the  US Patent, https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160108329

 

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The invention is a highly selective formulation of gasoline components to maximize the start-up capability (low vapor pressure) in cold and hot weather, and provide clean-running performance of the engine (using purified components often not found in auto gasoline) to increase the power, safety, stability and shelf life of the fuel.

 

 

Edited August 11, 2019 by bcgold

[WHNJ701 4,165]

somebody was telling me there is a push now by equipment manufacturers requiring to use this or their own brand fuel now or its not covered under warranty.

I got rid of all my 2 stroke stuff and switched to battery, best move.  I got 5.5 acres and it works just fine.  

[ebinmaine 67,275]

3 minutes ago, jabelman said:

somebody was telling me there is a push now by equipment manufacturers requiring to use this or their own brand fuel now or its not covered under warranty

 

I've read this somewhere as well. Consumer groups  are pushing back on this very very hard.

The only new piece of equipment I've purchased in recent memory is an Echo chainsaw. About 2 years ago. The directions say that it is recommended but not required.

 

[clueless 2,976]

Best thing you can do for your small 2 cycle stuff. I go through a large can $20.00 a season with my weedeater and two blowers. Prime it, choke it, pull the cord once turn the choke off pull it again they fire right, and no bogging.

[pfrederi 17,665]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

I don't know what's in it but it's WWAAYY too expensive to be a good value... (Unless you have no other access to ethanol free gas in your area.)

 

$25 - $40 per gallon or more!!!

 

I get e-0 91 octane for $3.69 plus about $1 for the 2-cycle mix.

 

I have great running engines with a long service interval.

 

 

 

In your case where you use your chain saw a lot your method works.  For people like me who use it only occasionally using the canned fuel makes sense as it starts quickly and runs well even if it has sat for a long period.  Canned gas is a lot easier than the draining fuel and running it out of gas that i used to do if it was going to sit for a long time. Normally 1qt lasts me almost a year.  This year i used three because of storm damage and Emerald ash borer.  Still easier than mixing and having a designated gas can.

[870express 116]

On 8/11/2019 at 12:18 PM, pfrederi said:

In your case where you use your chain saw a lot your method works.  For people like me who use it only occasionally using the canned fuel makes sense as it starts quickly and runs well even if it has sat for a long period.  Canned gas is a lot easier than the draining fuel and running it out of gas that i used to do if it was going to sit for a long time. Normally 1qt lasts me almost a year.  This year i used three because of storm damage and Emerald ash borer.  Still easier than mixing and having a designated gas can.

 

I agree.  I don't use my 2-stroke equipment a lot, but when I need to use them, I don't want to have to wrestle with them to get them to start like I used to.  And then run them dry before putting them away.  Now, I leave the trufuel in them without fear of gumming the carburetors.  And they start reliably when I need them.  It's worth $20 a gallon to me.

I put ethanol-free regular gas in my john deere lawn tractor, troybilt tiller and kohler generator.  It's currently about $2.85 a gallon at Murphy-America (Walmart).  That's the only place I have found it within a 30-mile radius of where I live.

Edited August 13, 2019 by 870express

[rmaynard 15,427]

1 hour ago, jabelman said:

somebody was telling me there is a push now by equipment manufacturers requiring to use this or their own brand fuel now or its not covered under warranty.

I got rid of all my 2 stroke stuff and switched to battery, best move.  I got 5.5 acres and it works just fine.  

They cannot do that!  The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 prohibits it. Here is the gist of that part of the act.

 

"Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty."

[pfrederi 17,665]

34 minutes ago, rmaynard said:

They cannot do that!  The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 prohibits it. Here is the gist of that part of the act.

 

"Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty."

 

 

But some get around that by offering an extended warranty of you use their stuff.  My echo chain saw was warranted for an extra two years if I used their fuel...

Edited August 11, 2019 by pfrederi

[oliver2-44 9,685]

I bought a Stihl weed eater about 2 years ago. They were offering a slightly extended warranty if you bought a 6 back of there oil or canned gas.

[870express 116]

3 hours ago, bcgold said:

Trufuel blends are cited in the  US Patent, https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160108329

 

• EXAMPLE 1: 4-Stroke

• 	Isooctane	58%
  	Alkylate	25%
  	Isopentane	15%
  	Butane	2%
  	Total	100%

• EXAMPLE 2: 2-Stroke

• 	Isooctane	56%
  	Alkylate	25%
  	Isopentane	15%
  	Butane	2%
  	Lub Oil	2%	(50:1)
  	Total	100%

[Digger 66 3,478]

3 hours ago, clueless said:

Best thing you can do for your small 2 cycle stuff. I go through a large can $20.00 a season with my weedeater and two blowers. Prime it, choke it, pull the cord once turn the choke off pull it again they fire right, and no bogging.

 

A properly adjusted (tuned) carburetor on a two stroke will also start on the first pull and not bog during acceleration .

My Ryobi trimmer has never been "bottle-fed".

Only non ethanol fuel with whatever synthetic 40:1 mix Home Depot had on the shelf .

Still has 165 lb of cylinder pressure and starts in one pull ( and does not bog ) .

And it's around 24 years old .

The Tru-Fuel probably has some merits but just doesn't make sense ( for me ) considering the circumstances .

I have Non-E available less than a mile away .

 

 

 

 

Edited August 11, 2019 by Digger 66

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,301]

22 hours ago, Digger 66 said:

 

I have Non-E available less than a mile away .

  Your lucky, here in Connecticut non-ethanol is not available at a pump unless you want the racing fuel with the really high octane rating. 

  I can be in Rhode Island or Massachusetts is less than an hour and I don’t think it’s available there either. I would gladly take a one hour road trip (each way) to fill up a few 5 gallon containers. 

[ebinmaine 67,275]

14 minutes ago, Sparky said:

  Your lucky, here in Connecticut non-ethanol is not available at a pump unless you want the racing fuel with the really high octane rating. 

  I can be in Rhode Island or Massachusetts is less than an hour and I don’t think it’s available there either. I would gladly take a one hour road trip (each way) to fill up a few 5 gallon containers. 

That's how it is here too. I'm just lucky enough to be the second town over from the border and a station close by in New Hampshire

 

[1977walleyeguy 18]

I have been using tru-fuel in all of my two cycle equipment for years, zero issues to date.

Way i look at it - good equipment cost $$$, think i can afford to feed it with a little insurance. 

[Digger 66 3,478]

1 hour ago, Sparky said:

  Your lucky, here in Connecticut non-ethanol is not available at a pump unless you want the racing fuel with the really high octane rating. 

  I can be in Rhode Island or Massachusetts is less than an hour and I don’t think it’s available there either. I would gladly take a one hour road trip (each way) to fill up a few 5 gallon containers. 

I just looked on Puregas , you're right about the octane .

We have 90 octane without that poision for around 3.70 .

Your stuff is probably in the 5 / 6 dollar range  

[The Tuul Crib 7,336]

On 8/11/2019 at 1:24 PM, oliver2-44 said:

I bought a Stihl weed eater about 2 years ago. They were offering a slightly extended warranty if you bought a 6 back of there oil or canned gas.

 Husqvarna does the same thing with their weedeaters . I declined and stuck with 

my 93 octane

[adsm08 2,022]

3 hours ago, Sparky said:

  Your lucky, here in Connecticut non-ethanol is not available at a pump unless you want the racing fuel with the really high octane rating. 

  I can be in Rhode Island or Massachusetts is less than an hour and I don’t think it’s available there either. I would gladly take a one hour road trip (each way) to fill up a few 5 gallon containers. 

 

There is a station just up the road from me that just remodeled their store, new tanks and pumps, the whole 9 yards, with E0 90 octane added to every pump.

 

I was so excited I pulled over, got out, and did a happy dance on the shoulder of US15.

[ebinmaine 67,275]

8 minutes ago, adsm08 said:

 

I was so excited I pulled over, got out, and did a happy dance on the shoulder of US15

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[adsm08 2,022]

Just now, ebinmaine said:

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Really? My doctor spelled it "dangerously unbalanced".

[ebinmaine 67,275]

3 minutes ago, adsm08 said:

 

Really? My doctor spelled it "dangerously unbalanced".

Same thing

 

I'm pretty sure....

[870express 116]

I have a 15 mile drive to the Murphy USA (Walmart) in Marshall that sells ethanol-free gas.  Before I found that one, I did a google search for "ethanol free" in/near Longview, TX, which showed about a dozen or so hits.  I went to each location and they were all either out-of-business or had no ethanol-free pumps.  So the lesson there is that google will sometimes give you out-dated or outright false results.  Murphy USA probably sells E0 as more of a courtesy to the few customers who want it.  99% of people will buy whatever is cheapest, and for 99% of car owners that's all they really need.

[ebinmaine 67,275]

12 minutes ago, 870express said:

  99% of people will buy whatever is cheapest, and for 99% of car owners that's all they really need.

Quite true... If the car is disposable like most are nowadays.

 

 

I find it interesting that the FAA does not allow ethanol and there are people that are discussing making it disallowed in certain Waters as well. Somebody in the government has common sense at least.

 

[WHX?? 48,779]

I use the canned fuel in my weed wackers, pole pruners & other smaller stuff religiously. Even big saws for quick work. For all day wood cutting work I switch to non-E & mix where I am going to go thru more than a couple tanks. Last tank of the day backed to canned stuff for storage. Don't know if it was mentioned but the canned crap has an ungodly shelf life. Works for me.  Yah Cribs.... Husky said three cans of their crap and 5 year warranty. They say its best for break in too?? 21 spumonies for three cans I went for it. That's what got me hooked as I used it in a problematic starting Crapsman leaf blower and it worked wonders. Shhh... Husky doesn't know I didn't use in their weed wacker!

 

The can size show above goes for 16-18 bucks in my area so for what little the small engines sip it's a no brainer.

Edited August 13, 2019 by WHX24