What exactly, makes a C-(1**) a Super C?

[ebinmaine 69,413]

Over the next few months I'm going to be gathering more parts and information about the large rear wheel C Series that I want to build this coming winter.

I'm thinking I want the rear tire diameter to be somewhere around 27" - 30".

 

I guess by default that puts me in the Super C range.

I understand that there are some other differences like front axle or spindles?

 

What else is there?

 

 

[Aldon 4,827]

The Super C is the C-195.

 

the frame was longer I believe.

 

it had a larger twin V Koehler motor.

 

the stance allowed for a 60 inch deck.

 

it could accept a 3 point and also had option for rear PTO.

 

 

[Lee1977 6,898]

What model tractor are you trying to change into a Super C?

[ebinmaine 69,413]

7 minutes ago, Lee1977 said:

What model tractor are you trying to change into a Super C?

No particular single machine.

It will be a learning experience build.

I have a welder and I need to learn how to use it.

 

 

I have most of enough parts to build at least two tractors.

 

I've been thinking about doing this for several months, maybe a year. I'm going to use a C Series frame. 8 speed. C Series hood and steering wheel stand. The fenders are going to be from a round hood.

I have a 23 horse K twin that I'm going to see if I can get running. If that goes I'll use it. If not, I'll wait and see what else comes along in the next few months.

 

The rear  rims are going to be 15 inch. I haven't chosen what to run for tires yet but they will be very aggressive mud type.

The front axle I will likely build, with help, so that I can run trailer type hubs with bigger heavier bearings and a 1 inch shaft.

 

 

[buckrancher 2,694]

C-195 also had 1" dia. front spindles

[RandyLittrell 3,886]

Eric, if you are willing to go with 14" wheels, these tires are about the same as a C-195 or GT-14. Its what I plan on using on my GT-14. Good price too, might even find them a little cheaper somewhere too. 

 

 

https://www.millertire.com/products/lawn-garden-tires/7-14/7-14-carlisle-farm-specialist-6-ply/

 

Just looked and on amazon they are cheaper.   https://www.amazon.com/Carlisle-Farm-Specialist-Tractor-7-14/dp/B001THCJB6

 

 

 

Randy

 

 

Edited July 29, 2019 by RandyLittrell

[Lee1977 6,898]

You don't use a tractor to mow so you don't need the the longer wheel base. The black hoods and later 300, 400, and 500 had a rear bar supporting the foot boards that will only allow  25 or 26"" tires. So the older C's frames will be better but the foot boards will need to be moved forward to clear the tires.  On the front spindles of my C-120/180 I used 5 lug 3500 # trailer spindles.

[ebinmaine 69,413]

28 minutes ago, buckrancher said:

C-195 also had 1" dia. front spindles

Our friend does metal fabrication.

I'm thinking I may have her help me build an axle setup with the bigger spindles.

Basically for forest work extra strength.... Not that I really need it 

 

22 minutes ago, RandyLittrell said:

willing to go with 14" wheels, 

I'd be fine with that but I already have the 15s.

I could trade or find comparable tires.

Those are the type of tread is likely use.

 

14 minutes ago, Lee1977 said:

front spindles of my C-120/180 I used 5 lug 3500 # trailer spindles

How are those attached?

Custom spindles?

 

 

[RandyLittrell 3,886]

My reasoning for going to 14" wheels were size and cost. With 14" size you also open yourself up to UTV tires with lots of choices on sizes and they are cheaper than ag tires. Trailer wheels are available in 14" and cheap too. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Randy

 

 

 

 

 

[Stepney 2,335]

Eric, depending on the width I think I have some old 14x5-7" or so 5x4.5 rims, which I think is the same pattern as a WH? 

[Stormin 9,982]

Eric. Check out my Birth of the Black Horse in Restorations etc. May give you an idea or two.

[pfrederi 18,102]

What makes a super C from parts...A lot of time and money   If you are going to use the 23 hp K cast iron twin  and big tires power steering would be advisable...

[Lee1977 6,898]

I cut about 2" off the trailer spindles and my friend drill them out to 3/4" . I cut the Wheel Horse spindle shorter don't remember the lendth. We also cross drill a hole between the bearings the WH spindles were welded there and the back side. The inside bearing on those are 1 3/8" and the spindle at the back is 2" so there is a lot of metal to weld to. That was done around 1990 the only thing I have done to them since is tighten in bearing on one side. they are the standard 5 lug on a 4 1/2" bolt circle. One think you will need to check is will the wheels you select fit on thr 3500 # hubs. I grabbed up all the parts right at closing time and we had to turn down the outside hub diameter to get the 8" wheels to fit.  

Edited July 29, 2019 by Lee1977

[Pullstart 63,357]

I like big wheels, can I play too?  

[JAinVA 4,629]

Eric,

    The easiest way to get bigger tires on the front and easier steering is a gear reduction setup from a 520.Just the front axle alone will allow demountable four or five lug hubs and wheels.These are 12" that were very easy to get and cheap.The black tractor has 4 lug hubs on NOS 520 spindles.No welding or fab required.

Edited July 29, 2019 by JAinVA

[ebinmaine 69,413]

3 hours ago, Stepney said:

Eric, depending on the width I think I have some old 14x5-7" or so 5x4.5 rims, which I think is the same pattern as a WH? 

If you can find them, set them aside please.

 

2 hours ago, pfrederi said:

What makes a super C from parts...A lot of time and money   If you are going to use the 23 hp K cast iron twin  and big tires power steering would be advisable...

Actually, that was going to be one of my questions.

Trina and I are both pretty rugged and we don't mind using muscles to steer things but my question is this...

Keeping in mind I may have loaded front tires for weight and also that big twin or some other large hunk of cast iron hanging out there.

Is there a concern about breaking the stock wheel horse fan gear or something else?

Should I purposefully try to find a gear reduction steering setup?

 

1 hour ago, pullstart said:

I like big wheels, can I play too?  

ABSOLUTELY !!!!

 

Throw some stuff in the truck and come on out. Trina is a great cook. All I can offer is coffee and a bad attitude.

 

 

 

[JAinVA 4,629]

When pushed really hard a fan gear can flex enough to jump out of engagement.I had that happen on my c101.The 520h fan gear engages at it's diameter rather than it's face so flex is eliminated.The black tractor is my 312a and it is being put together as a loader tractor.I chose the 520 setup because of the loads on the frontend.The crane tractor has the same setup.I can routinely lift 3/400 lbs with it and freely drive it around.I am not a big person so ease of steering is a concern plus I'm old.The beefier tie rods are a plus as well.

Edited July 29, 2019 by JAinVA

[ebinmaine 69,413]

13 minutes ago, JAinVA said:

When pushed really hard a fan gear can flex enough to jump out of engagement.I had that happen on my c101.The 520h fan gear engages at it's diameter rather than it's face so flex is eliminated.The black tractor is my 312a and it is being put together as a loader tractor.I chose the 520 setup because of the loads on the frontend.The crane tractor has the same setup.I can routinely lift 3/400 lbs with it and freely drive it around.I am not a big person so ease of steering is a concern plus I'm old.The beefier tie rods are a plus as well.

That may be the way I go.

Tie rods for this tractor will be the ones just like on the cinnamon horse. .875 diameter rod with 7/16 heim joints.

 

[Retired Wrencher 5,572]

18 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

No particular single machine.

It will be a learning experience build.

I have a welder and I need to learn how to use it.

 

 

I have most of enough parts to build at least two tractors.

 

I've been thinking about doing this for several months, maybe a year. I'm going to use a C Series frame. 8 speed. C Series hood and steering wheel stand. The fenders are going to be from a round hood.

I have a 23 horse K twin that I'm going to see if I can get running. If that goes I'll use it. If not, I'll wait and see what else comes along in the next few months.

 

The rear  rims are going to be 15 inch. I haven't chosen what to run for tires yet but they will be very aggressive mud type.

The front axle I will likely build, with help, so that I can run trailer type hubs with bigger heavier bearings and a 1 inch shaft.

 

 

Eric I have an extra front axel you can have. Can`t Waite to see this enjoy the project.

[ebinmaine 69,413]

1 minute ago, Retierd Wrencher said:

Eric I have an extra front axel you can have. Can`t Waite to see this enjoy the project.

Very nice of you Gary. Thank you for offering. I should be all set. I will definitely keep it in mind.

[bds1984 1,457]

Don't forget that a C195 had six-lug rims.  Here is a picture of the 1984 Super C I regrettably sold sitting next to my 1984 C165.  I believe the rear tires on the Super C were 27-9.50R15 and the fronts were 18-6.50R8.  My C165 has since gained 18-8.50R8 turf tires on the front, NOS hood, and a regular muffler so it looks a little more the Super C.  I believe where the frame of the C195 is lengthened is behind the foot rests to allow the machine to accommodate the larger diameter tires.  I don't think I'd go moving the foot rests forward, it seems easier to add a few inches to the rear to me.

[Retired Wrencher 5,572]

23 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

Very nice of you Gary. Thank you for offering. I should be all set. I will definitely keep it in mind.

I am not using it. Thought some one else could use it.