ELECTRORIC 230 #1 Posted July 13, 2019 Picked up this tractor yesterday couldn't tell from his pictures that it had a 8-speed I looked through the manual and does show it as option Kohler 8 hp 1972 model 1 0110 7 serial 889625 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 68,357 #2 Posted July 14, 2019 With the round knobs that might be a six-speed. @stevasaurus or @pfrederi or @Racinbob. ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
troutbum70 857 #3 Posted July 14, 2019 I sure would like to have your tranny and all for my commando 800. I was not aware they were even offered with the high low capability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ELECTRORIC 230 #4 Posted July 14, 2019 I was buying it for parts but now I'm not sure what I will do kinda think I need to save it. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,096 #5 Posted July 14, 2019 Odd because the 1-0110 should have 3 forward speeds and 43-1/2" wheelbase. The Raider 8 model 1-0330 has 6 forward speeds and 45-1/2" wheelbase. Garry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 68,357 #6 Posted July 14, 2019 6 hours ago, ELECTRORIC said: I was buying it for parts but now I'm not sure what I will do kinda think I need to save it. I'm thinking I'd keep/save that one. Not at all common. Besides... Excellent combo already with the 8 horse and hi/lo. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,230 #7 Posted July 14, 2019 I don't see the round knobs as a factor Eric but they were period correct. An 8 speed would be a bit easier to swap but that's not saying that it isn't a 6 speed. An 0110 Commando 800 is what I restored for my grandson. Originally a 4 speed with 10" rears. Easy enough to put 12" on it as that's what I did. From the pics that tranny swap was well done with attention to detail. Geez, that shifter decal looks original. Do you suppose some left South Bend like that? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 68,357 #8 Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Racinbob said: . From the pics that tranny swap was well done with attention to detail. Geez, that shifter decal looks original. Do you suppose some left South Bend like that? I was thinking that... Or a dealer install like auto dealerships have done? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,230 #9 Posted July 14, 2019 That could be. We all know that the Ponds like to mess with our heads and it wouldn't surprise me if the dealers compounded that. The rear wheels are cleaner and 'whiter' than the fronts indicating a swap, probably more recent. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
troutbum70 857 #10 Posted July 14, 2019 I would not part it out the commando 800 was only made for 2 years. Everything about the tractor appears period correct like patina, what bolts are visible do not appear to have had a wrench on them for a very long time. And even that shifter decal has been there a long time as well, the only thing that stands out are the larger white rear wheels. I think you made a great find enjoy it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ELECTRORIC 230 #11 Posted July 14, 2019 I was reading the Commando 800 manual on this website and it shows a 8 hp 8-speed option it shows the front rims at 6" for the 8 hp rear tires were 23x7.50-12 for the 8-speed option for sure the rear tires now are not original it had plastic wheel weights maybe that is why the wheels are so white Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,866 #12 Posted July 14, 2019 One thing for sure...that is not a parts tractor...definitely worth saving. I'm liking what @ELECTRORIC was saying about the 8 speed option. They used 3 different transmissions in 1972. It should be fairly easy to figure out what transmission is in here. 1. was what would have been original...the #5085 4 speed. 2. the 8 speed #5086. This transmission had the Hi/Low with a 4 pinion differential and 1" axles. 3. the 10 pinion Limited Slip #5073 with 1 1/8" axles. The brake drum would be on the cluster gear shaft on all of these transmissions. The dead give away would be if it has 1" axles. So, measure the axle diameter, and post a picture of the left side of the transmission from the back and from above if possible. That is a very nice find, and is probably on the rare side. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ELECTRORIC 230 #13 Posted July 14, 2019 Thanks Steve I'm going to save it engine has a blown rod but I can take care of that the axles measure 1-1/8" looks like the brake drum is toward the rear next to the axle. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
troutbum70 857 #14 Posted July 14, 2019 Any idea how many of this configuration was produced? Here is picture of my commando 800 the one in the rear, it has the 3 speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,866 #15 Posted July 14, 2019 @ELECTRORIC I know anything is possible, but if the brake drum is next to the axle, you probably have a #5071. That trans was last used in 1969. I think that might take the "ordered that way" option off the table. The linkage would have to be modified for one thing. Does this trans have a dip stick?? Is there a 1" extension where the fill level plug is?? This is why we need the pictures. @troutbum63, If anyone has production numbers, it would be @gwest_ca. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,230 #16 Posted July 14, 2019 6 hours ago, ELECTRORIC said: I was reading the Commando 800 manual on this website and it shows a 8 hp 8-speed option it shows the front rims at 6" for the 8 hp rear tires were 23x7.50-12 for the 8-speed option for sure the rear tires now are not original it had plastic wheel weights maybe that is why the wheels are so white 2 hours ago, stevasaurus said: @ELECTRORIC I know anything is possible, but if the brake drum is next to the axle, you probably have a #5071. That trans was last used in 1969. I think that might take the "ordered that way" option off the table. The linkage would have to be modified for one thing. Does this trans have a dip stick?? Is there a 1" extension where the fill level plug is?? This is why we need the pictures. @troutbum63, If anyone has production numbers, it would be @gwest_ca. The manual we have here is for the 73 no-names and not precisely correct for the 1972 1-0110 Commando 800. In 73 they had the 8hp 4-speed (1-0130 and identical to the 72 Commando 800) and the 8, 10, 12, & 14hp 8 speeds. The 8 speed was not an option on the Commando but was actually a different model. All Commando 800's on this side of the big pond have the 5085 transmission and 6" & 10" wheels. I seriously doubt that an 8 speed and the 12" rears were 'options' because just upgrading to a 8-8 speed would be the same. In 1972 the Raider 8 was the one with the 5086 transmission. I could be the classic example with a 72 Commando 800 and mess with peoples minds with it's 12" rears, flip forward seat.....etc. It's also very possible that the beauty slipped out of the factory and didn't get caught. In any case I wouldn't change a thing on it. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ELECTRORIC 230 #17 Posted July 15, 2019 I will take some pictures tomorrow when I pull the wheel off to fix hub, it has a hole in the body for a dipstick but the trans doesn't have a dipstick and there is a extension on the filler tube 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
troutbum70 857 #18 Posted July 15, 2019 Be aware if you are pulling the hub they don't just slip off and the fill tube is where you should find the dip stick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,096 #19 Posted July 15, 2019 Production numbers I have no idea but here is the order they were built in 1972. Attachments are not included. 902,465 - 832,877 = 69,588 tractor serial numbers that include some attachments Attachments most years were built before the tractors probably because they would be easier to store but also made during the model year to meet demand. 810064 - CG-8 Auto - May be 1971 model 810267 - CG-8 Auto - May be 1971 model 832877 - Charger 10 833053 - Raider 14 843635 - Raider 10 84364x - Charger 10 843988 - Charger 10 844330 - Charger 10 844362 - Charger 10 844364 - Charger 10 848045 - Raider 12 851975 - Charger 10 853213 - CG-8 Auto 855374- CG-8 Auto 855532 - Bronco 14 855552 - Bronco 14 855704 - GT-14 855902 - GT-14 858570 - Raider 14 858667 - Raider 14 858685 - Raider 14 858706 - Raider 14 859577 - Raider 8 859692 - Raider 8 859729 - Raider 8 859777 - Raider 8 859793 - Raider 10 859806 - Raider 10 859966 - Raider 10 859979 - Raider 10 862315 - Commando 800 862379 - Commando 800 862973 - Commando 800 862976 - Commando 800 863137 - Commando 800 863483 - Charger 10 863542 - Charger 12 863626 - Raider 10 863650 - Raider 10 863660 - Raider 10 866097 - Raider 8 866133 - Raider 8 866190 - Raider 8 867110 - Commando 800 867210 - Commando 800 870647 - Charger 10 870903 - Commando 800 871005 - Commando 800 874867 - R-26 RER 877537 - Raider 10 878187 - GT-14 878274 - GT-14 878331 - GT-14 878412 - GT-14 878457 - GT-14 878605 - Raider 14 887475- Raider 12 887508- Raider 12 883689 - Commando 800 883829 - Commando 800 884012 - Commando 800 885070 - Charger 10 885710 - Commando 800 888930 - Charger 12 889021 - Charger 12 889095 - Bronco 14 889098 - Bronco 14 889116 - Bronco 14 889265 - Commando 800 889625 - Commando 800 - ELECTRORIC 889720 - Commando 800 889765 - Commando 800 889878 - Commando 800 890042 - Commando 800 890255 - Commando 800 891677 - Raider 8 891800 - Raider 10 892173 - Raider 14 892204 - Raider 14 892225 - Raider 14 892372 - Bronco 14 892638 - Charger 12 892764 - Charger 12 895187 - Commando 800 895226 - Commando 800 895656 - Commando 800 895746 - Commando 800 896942 - GT-14 897054 - GT-14 897061 - GT-14 898599 - Commando 800 902465 - Charger 12 Garry 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ELECTRORIC 230 #20 Posted July 15, 2019 Took some pictures of trans, going to split it input shaft bearing is bad and the differential sounds like it has gravel in the gears oil looked good the axles do turn in different direction. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,879 #21 Posted July 15, 2019 The extended fill plug would indicate it was ..at least originally ...a 10 pinion. If it was still in there and the spring was in good shape the wheels should turn in the same direction. That yours is going opposite indicates the differential may have been swapped out or the spring is shot. If it is a 10 pinion with a bad spring Lowell sells replacement springs, 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ELECTRORIC 230 #22 Posted July 18, 2019 Trans turned out to be a 5060 so it looks like somebody did a conversion long time ago. I'm going to keep it the same as I got it. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 68,357 #23 Posted July 18, 2019 3 hours ago, ELECTRORIC said: Trans turned out to be a 5060 so it looks like somebody did a conversion long time ago. I'm going to keep it the same as I got it. Is that the 10 pinion with limited-slip? if it is, you should probably throw another tension spring in the differential. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ELECTRORIC 230 #24 Posted July 18, 2019 Yes it is a 10 pinion limited slip I have a 5071 w/bad axles & bearings but the limited slip worked good so I hope between the two trans. I get one good one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,866 #25 Posted July 18, 2019 All parts are inter-changeable between the #5060 and the #5071. The difference between those 2 transmissions...#5060 has aluminum end plates on the differential...#5071 has steel end plates. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
