rustyedge1 170 #1 Posted June 27, 2019 Finish mowing the other day, pulled in the garage went to shut down and shifter lever came out in my hand. The collar went in the transmission. Really want to keep using this machine, has a twin 18hp Kohler replacement engine with 400 hrs or so. I know I got to get the collar out but haven't had any luck yet. At least the transmission is in natural. I really don't want to have to tear it down. Any ideas ?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tuul Crib 7,337 #2 Posted June 27, 2019 I think this is a job for @stevasaurus!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 55,776 #3 Posted June 27, 2019 The collar is large enough that it probably wouldn't get snagged in any of the gears, but you know how Murphy's Law can make the improbable a reality in a heartbeat. If you can't retrieve it with a bent wire I'm afraid surgical extrication is the only safe way to go. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAinVA 4,621 #4 Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) If the collar is in the transaxle, I doubt you can get it out with out splitting the case.Stevasaurus has posted videos on U-tube covering the process.I hate to say this but if you run the tractor without getting the collar out you will be most likely be splitting the case but to replace internal parts damaged by the collar. Edited June 27, 2019 by JAinVA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,096 #5 Posted June 27, 2019 Magnet on a stick? Garry 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustyedge1 170 #6 Posted June 27, 2019 I got a buddy coming down with some magnets maybe we can have a miracle re-birth .. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,096 #7 Posted June 27, 2019 933168 roll pin for the shifter donut 5/32" x 13/16" Replaced by 32121-114 spirol pin Garry 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,096 #8 Posted June 27, 2019 Do you have the dogpoint screw that held the collar in place? I have a feeling an arrangement of strong magnets and bent wire could fish it back out. I wonder though about that roll pin that used to hold things together. Did it snap, or is it missing from the shifter? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,866 #9 Posted June 27, 2019 Auto Zone, NAPA and others sell pencil magnets...that's your best chance...before opening it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustyedge1 170 #10 Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, pullstart said: Do you have the dogpoint screw that held the collar in place? I have a feeling an arrangement of strong magnets and bent wire could fish it back out. I wonder though about that roll pin that used to hold things together. Did it snap, or is it missing from the shifter? pullstart I've got the screw, it must have backed out and caused the problem. Was laying on case just at the hole it's supposed to go into. I have always thought that the shifting lever and the collar were fitted together rather tightly, must have worn. Edited June 28, 2019 by rustyedge1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustyedge1 170 #11 Posted July 2, 2019 Did some fishing today and caught the sucker.. I picked up a MAC MPF-4 pick up tool, used on eBay and would recommend them. Glad I could reach the collar but sure is worn, may need another shifter ?? No wonder it fell into the transmission. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,096 #12 Posted July 2, 2019 You could line up the holes and have an experienced welder weld the donut top and bottom to the shifter. Many came from the factory welded. With the donut sloopy on the shaft I would not expect a new roll pin to last long. Garry 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,866 #13 Posted July 2, 2019 Rusty, that is so cool that you fished that out. Do what Garry said and get it welded. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fish Crawford 13 #14 Posted July 4, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 12:02 AM, rustyedge1 said: Did some fishing today and caught the sucker.. I picked up a MAC MPF-4 pick up tool, used on eBay and would recommend them. Glad I could reach the collar but sure is worn, may need another shifter ?? No wonder it fell into the transmission. Same thing just happened on my 310-8 ...although my shifter collar didnt drop Thank Lord. Guess ill have to get the welder out too. Glad this post was easy to find...i was freakn out for a few lol 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,096 #15 Posted July 5, 2019 Maybe welding what I have could be considered preventative maintenance.... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fish Crawford 13 #16 Posted July 5, 2019 2 hours ago, pullstart said: Maybe welding what I have could be considered preventative maintenance.... Yes most definitely! If not at least a good inspection every season... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,096 #17 Posted July 5, 2019 31 minutes ago, Fish Crawford said: Yes most definitely! If not at least a good inspection every season... If I’m pulling them for inspection, I may as well lay a bead... It’s like that cooking infomercial tool... “Set it.... and forget it!” 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustyedge1 170 #18 Posted July 10, 2019 Talked to my friend today and he agrees on the welding, just not sure on how everything lines up and where. Also the roll pin looks pretty rough. Believe replacing it would be a positive. Dose the dog screw tighten down against the roll pin ? As it is now this screw doesn't tighten down on the roll pin or even close. Little advise appreciated. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,879 #19 Posted July 10, 2019 The roll pin did not come all the way through. When it was flush the back side there was enough room in the front for the dog point to seat. Use a 3/4" roll pin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustyedge1 170 #20 Posted September 17, 2019 Thank you all for your input. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustyedge1 170 #21 Posted September 18, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 5:22 AM, gwest_ca said: 933168 roll pin for the shifter donut 5/32" x 13/16" Replaced by 32121-114 spirol pin Garry Can the 32121-14 pin still be purchased ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,096 #22 Posted September 18, 2019 32121-114 is available from any Toro dealer https://www.partstree.com/search/?type=part&term=toro+933168 Garry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,164 #23 Posted September 19, 2019 Yes put a roll pin back in for positioning then weld it. Of the dozens I've had out I don't think I've ever had one that wasn't welded. Just a hole for the dog point. Make sure the shifter boot is in good shape. Now might be a good time to change fluids too. Always easier to refill through the shift hole 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustyedge1 170 #24 Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Anyone have the actual part # on the actual shifting leaver or manual with donut ? May just replace with new. 1985 417-8 Edited November 28, 2019 by rustyedge1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 55,776 #25 Posted November 28, 2019 10 hours ago, rustyedge1 said: Anyone have the actual part # on the actual shifting leaver or manual with donut ? May just replace with new. 1985 417-8 This file should give you the info. you need. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
