Wheelhorse 211-3 information?

[bizon 30]

Hi, to spare my 416-8 a bit i have bought a 211 witch is complete and in good shape but differental colours , not original engine and brake has broken 😁   So this will be the  mudmower and the 416-8 will be original as much as possible to mow and haul things..

 

now finaly on topic:  who has expirience with the 211? Is it something usefull and loyable like the older and bigger brother?  Ive seen that the rear axle is less thick and the diff/gearbox is aluminium.. 

 the moweek is complete but has another system to hang on the chassis   Could it be rebuilded easy to fit on the 416? 

 

It also has a vanguard V2 15hp   The sound of that is like heaven 😁

 

here is a example picture 

[bizon 30]

Edit  i dont know if this quastion/topic is on the right place so  if not sorry 

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1 hour ago, bizon said:

moweek is complete but has another system to hang on the chassis   Could it be rebuilded easy to fit on the 416?

You are correct about the drive system on the mower being different. I have never done this, but I understand that the center (double) pulley can be changed out along with the lift system from your 416 deck and it will then work on the 416. Pull them both off, set them side by side and see what you think.

[Tractorhead 9,093]

Hi bizon,

Depending on your skill‘s it can be reworked to fit. Additionally a longer belt and you‘re done.

 

On the other hand i‘m not sure, if it will be a good idea to rework the Mowerdeck.

I have also a 200 series tractor, witch in my case not only as a mower is used, it runs pretty good.

i expanded mine 212 with a selfmade FEL.

 

For stronger things i use my „Beast“, (what shall be similar to your 416) because the 212 doesn‘t have enough weight for plogh or something like that.

 

I just have troubles on weight with my 212, they be homemade, because of the FEL.

On stronger slopes they driven, the Frontaxle tends to roll, because the weight of my FEL will get a touch too much weight into the front.

The ability of the Frontaxle to balance uneven way‘s given the rest weakness for a flip on my machine.

Without my FEL i never had any issues on mowing any slope lawn.

 

i would use it as you self suggested, to save your 416 for spare or better uses if you have the place for.

 

 

[bizon 30]

@Tractorhead thnx for your reply .

the FEL you talk about is a front loader ? 

 

Im not scared to adjust the deck but i want to know if it is a thing you want to start with 😁 

the 416 will be used for mowing and hauling trailers trough my yard..   the 200 i want to build that like an atv  to go trough the forrest trails here..    my girlfriend has an old mtd we will build also for that    So if the mowerdeck is adjustable i can go loco with wheel sizes..  if not i must do something with the rear axle en probably the front to fitt the mowerdeck.

 

i am also a bit scare for the rear axle if he is strong enough to do something with  cause he is a bit thiner than the one on the 416

[Tractorhead 9,093]

To use it as an ATV,🤔

 

yes possible, but if i shall traveling longer trails, i would change the rear Beltwheel.

otherwise you don‘t get usable speed.

 

on the other hand i would prefer use the 416 instead the 212 for have fun riding like an ATV.

 

The reason?  Several.

1.) the 212 has a smaller rear Axle, it will take about 250 Kilos load as in specs, here also your 416 has the Advantage of simpler change tyre and Rim size.

 

2.) the gearbox of the 212 is not built for longer trips, especially not for driving thru water, if you like to do - 

just rework the Gearbox and spend some fresh grease and add a grease nipple in the shaft side.

 

3.) because of the just 8“ Tyresize you need definitely to remove the Mowerdeck also you need to remove the Magneto clutch to increase ground clearance. Can be made but why change a system that works.

 

4.) less weight, because of Stuck in real muddy Area, you need to add more weight on rearaxle.

if you like to drive muddy way‘s my experience was the front tyres with 6“ are to small, they stuck and sunk very fast.

the only issue here is improve them (wider tyres but hard to find, here the frontaxle of 416 with 8“ has more Advantages.

 

 

it depends on what engine is real inside, but they‘re most powerful enough just for driving, no doubt about it.

 

i use my 212 again just as a multitool and as mower but for driving Trails i‘m using my bigger ISEKI,

because its a real beast with 4WD.

i‘m sure going a Way along with my 212 that surely no other did, but i have a lot of Fun with.

but for longer trials - hm, i think it‘s better to use the 416 for.

 

You can read here what i meant

 

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Tractorhead

[bizon 30]

Thnx     Yes like an atv, dont know how else to express it   But just to ride trough trails in the forrest    

The reason i would take the 200 for this is simple, i bought it for 200 the 416, 400  it has the same engine and driveway like the most lawnmowers  and pieces arent hard to find,   For the 416 you can not find any 2hand parts here in belgium  and if iyou do, they ask the price of gold   Also the 416 is in original and very good shape   

 

I want to make the gearing system like a mtd ( vsp variable pulley)  on the 200  is that much easyer than on the 416..   (shifting while driving is much better than starting in 3th gear) and mayby in time.. a know someone who sells 2 (steering and traction) axles  no gearbox just axle steel housing and pulley on top, f/r shift  from an mtd    So it must be able to put those two axles under the 200  🤓  

 

the front axle is the same as the 416 ui think so 8"wheels with 19*7-8  are allready waiting   For the back i must make something on the axle  to fit my others.. 26*12-12   

 

An iseki is good..  but that is allready a real tractor you can not play with it  and there is not much challlenge with it to cross something   Also 4-5000€ Is to much to risk for a day of fun and beer 😁

 

ive seen your wheelhorse and iseki  the look fine ! 

[Tractorhead 9,093]

Ah ok,

so i know bit more of your Idea behind.

 

I reworked my 212 also a lot.

If you didn‘t need allready the Mowerissue, you can play with another solutions, i thinked shortly about on it but i hesitate,

because i like to keep it still also as mower. 

Then i got my Idea with the FEL and i realize it.

 

Shift while driving is not the best idea with this Gearboxes, but to make the second pulley (that one on the Gearbox) smaller

will increase the speed dramatically. Half the size on the rear Pulley is double the Speed.

After that rework a senseful mowing isn‘t maybe really possible, but who cares.

If it shall just be a cheap ATV, give your Ideas some Room and make it happen. 😎👍

 

But ahead i would disassemble the Gearbox and fit it with Greasenipples for a longer life.

Sometimes servicing with a bit of Grease and you have a fantastic Funvehicle that lasts longer time.

I like crazy Stuff, what not allway‘s must make sense for others, if Fun is in foreground.

 

One issue is really the Brake, the small Disc isn‘t very useful if you increases the Speed, because it will wears really fast.

Ok, the Brakepads are cheap to buy, but a bit reinforced Brake will really make sense in your case.

Especially if you driving fast downhill...😂

 

8“ on the Front make also sense because of less stuck and higher ground clearance.

That should be a good Vehicle to start with.

 

 

 

 

 

[bizon 30]

Hehe i.llkee0 you posted ( and the forum,    Right bow there are 2 400series for sale complete for only 300€ pfff !!  Shifting while driving is possible with the mtd system it works with  variable pulleys   I want to put that under this wheelhorse   And hopefully wit the giant tires at the rear he wille drive +-20km/h  if not the pulley will be swapped   Hehe    The grease nippkes i am going to find out that really is a n excelent idea ! 

[Tractorhead 9,093]

To raise over 20 Kmh you have to 1/3 of the diameter of the rear pulley.

just calculated, but don‘t forgot about the Breaks.... 😂 otherwise it‘s maybe sometimes too fast...😉.

a beltbrake on the rear Pulley should do the job quite good.

 

 

[bizon 30]

Hahaha  invention is keep going forward ! 😛   The original rear brake is gone !   So i thing i am going to make a brake disc from an child atv on that..  the front axle will do for the moment but probably if the rest stays alive i will make one with thaction or with brakes from a atv of trailer cause i have atv 8" wheels  with 4*100  like vw cars 🤭 

 

Just got this winner home  it lis not a 200 like a thougt 

[Tractorhead 9,093]

I try it short on a Rimbased mount, but the clearance was too small.

so i have to rework a lot, what i didn‘t want to do.

 

honestly rethinkin shortly, if i do a rework of the Axles, but after that Winter i‘m relaxed, 

the Frontaxle keep the load also the Load of the FEL without strange wear, sure a bit but that‘s ok so far.

 

just have to improove the Rearweight a bit, but not sure how.

Wheelweights yes, but i allway‘s lookin for a quite good compromise in weight, easy mount capability and 

easy maintaining.

 

 

 

[bizon 30]

Wheel weights are the best, you  can find them from a old plower ..    and  coolant in the rear tires  but notice  if you run pn atv tires i think the floating effect will be gone .. 

you can also put a larger battery under the seat   With my 416  ive made the black iron box between the front tires  here is a little car battery in +-20kg total 

 or make a box on the rear 😛

[Tractorhead 9,093]

1 hour ago, bizon said:

Wheel weights are the best, you  can find them from a old plower ..    and  coolant in the rear tires  but notice  if you run pn atv tires i think the floating effect will be gone .. 

you can also put a larger battery under the seat   With my 416  ive made the black iron box between the front tires  here is a little car battery in +-20kg total 

 or make a box on the rear 😛

 

At winter i have allready quick mounted a heavier Battery +40kilos on the Back, to compensate a bit the FEL Load.

 

Otherwise my Winteraction wasn‘t possible in the Way i did, because of the weight of the Wet heavy Snow.

The issue i didn’t want to give too much weight on the Axles, that they last longer.

So Wheelweights are the best choice in my humble opinion.

 

But while i planned to use next Year my Beast for Snowplow, i would change too much on my Wheelhorse, 

to keep it in good running condition, while i will use it cont. as Mower with addons.

 

The bigger Battery in combination with the rear Chains give me some Advantages, and the usability was just fine

at the whole Winterjob.

 

Actually i remount the Trailerhook and the Mowerdeck back.

 

 

 

[btowen 0]

I would like to know exactly what size belts are needed for the 211-3 tractor? Drive and transmission belt