Ncsdaonex 0 #1 Posted March 25, 2019 Im in the process of getting together the parts to make a front end loader for my b-80 wheelhorse. I really want to use hydraulics to make as reliable as possible. Does anyone have pics of what someone else has done like this on a similar model. Im new to this forum. So far ive come up with using a log splitter 2 stage pump, a 2 spool hydraulic valve, 2 cylinders 24 in for lifting the loader and not sure yet on what size to use for the bucket. Also my buddy recommended a 2 gallon resevoir if im using it on ocassion around the house. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeM 7,871 #2 Posted March 25, 2019 I have made a couple of loaders and the best combination was 4-6 GPM with 2 inch cylinder. Just using it around the house it will have enough speed and plenty of lifting power. I am going from memory, but I think I set my relief on 700 lbs. Of course the frame work will dictate your load ability. On the B80 might want to keep it 300 ish in the bucket because steering will be tough. You will have to have good front tires and plenty of air pressure in the tires. A reservoir of 2 gallons is fine but is more than you need. Once the system is full one gallon works okay. Location of the reservoir is an issue do to space limits on these smaller machines. Some designs use one of the square tube towers for oil. I used one tank in the rear and one tank was mounted to the side of the right hand tower. I use the same cylinder on the bucket as for the lift due to having one kind and spare. Two things of importance, one is the tower supports leading down to the front near the wheels is critical for strength, second is weights mounted in the rear. Weight install behind the rear axle and over hung works the best for lifting stability. I use both rear mounted counter weight and wheel weights. One machine used 1 1/2" cylinders the other 2 inch. These machines are built on 520 hydro machines. 2 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 55,085 #3 Posted March 25, 2019 54 minutes ago, OILUJ52 said: frame work will dictate your load ability. A good sturdy sub-frame is the key to success for a loader. As can be seen in the fourth picture above, the forces exerted by the loader MUST be transferred to the wheels to prevent damage to the frame. There are a few good threads on this site on loader build projects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 16,985 #4 Posted March 25, 2019 It's always helpful to have a set of plans. For a set of very good plans you can go to P F engineering. http://www.pf-engineering.com/ Or, here's a set of basic plans you can download from the files section for free https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/files/file/25-loader-fel-plans-part1-2/ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KC9KAS 4,741 #5 Posted March 25, 2019 @Ncsdaonex o A 2" cylinder will have more "power" than a 1 1/2" cylinder... A 1 1/2" cylinder will be FASTER than a 2" cylinder....assuming same pressure & flow. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ncsdaonex 0 #6 Posted March 26, 2019 Thank you everybody, i will use your advice to revise my setup, the only pump i found so far is an 11gpm log splitter pump Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 16,985 #7 Posted March 26, 2019 Here's a recommended pump for that size loader and cylinders https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200329712_200329712 Flow speed can be controlled some by the pulley size on the pump. The larger the pulley, the lower the RPM. There are many online pulley size calculators you can use to determine the RPM of the driven pulley on the pump by changing the size. 11 GPM would make a small loader uncontrollable because it would be way too fast. Yes, you can limit the flow through the control valves but one little extra millimeter bump of the handle will make it dangerous. It's possible to use flow control valve to limit flow https://www.surpluscenter.com/Brands/Prince-Mfg/3-8-NPT-8-GPM-Prince-WFC-600-In-Line-Flow-Control-9-7960-6.axd but that 11 gpm pump will be constantly working very hard unless you put one on every hose which go to the cylinders which would be 6 or 8 of them depending on your design for the bucket tilt. If you are going to build a loader which is a big project, you might as well do it right so it will be useful and last. The PF eng plans will come with a list of required components which will match their use. I built their backhoe and the best money spent on the entire project was for the plans. There's plenty of information out there on the net so do your research. High pressure fluid can be very dangerous so always be cautious on everything! Do not use your hands to feel for leaks as the fine stream will cut VERY GRAPHIC hydraulic accidents https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=AwrJ7FS29JlcQQoAh6JXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0b21rMHZmBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjY4MjFfMQRzZWMDcGl2cw--?p=hydraulic+fluid+accident&fr2=piv-web&fr=yfp-t 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
