Charger and Raider LSD

[12 hp Kohler 1,020]

Been looking at a lot or Raiders and Chargers lately and was wondering if they all have LSD? I know most of them did but I was wondering if some of the later models might have had the Uni drives instead ? 

 

 

 

Thanks, Robbie. 

[WHX?? 50,571]

@stevasaurus will be along to confirm Robbie but I was under the impression that all six speeds had it?

[stevasaurus 23,041]

The early raiders were 10 pinion LS.  In 1972, and I had one of these, the Raider 8 and 10 went to a #5086 Transmission.  The #5086 is the 1st 6 or 8 speed with 4 pinion differential and 1" axles.  The Raider 10s & 12s still kept the #5073 10 pinion LS.  In 1974, some of the Raiders went to the #5091 transmissions.  These were 8 speed with 1 1/8" axles.  The thing I am not sure about...I kind of think the #5091 could be ordered either way from the factory...8 pinion or 10 pinion LS.  The #5091 is the trans they usually talk about switching from one differential to the other.

  I don't know much about the Chargers.  If it has the Sundstrand, I think most of them had the 10 pinion LS trans-axle.  I would pull up the manual from the specific Model # to be sure.    As you guys probably know...the Raiders are manual trans and the Chargers are the hydros.  A few Chargers went with the Eaton transmissions.  The Sundstrands would be the ones to have the LSD transaxles, but the newer ones could be 8 pinion.

[pfrederi 18,295]

All but one of the Charger Electros I have come across were hydro gear 10 pinions.  The last one had a piston to piston  (But 10 pinion) do not know if it was dealer installation replacing a failed hydro gear  (remember Wheel Hose pretty much said hydro gears were "Repair by replacement") or a later swap.by some owner.  i have never seen one with an Eaton.  i would suspect if there was one it was a home made job.  After all Chargers ended in 1972 but WH continued using Sundstrand through the no names and C series up until 1980 (C-125)

[stevasaurus 23,041]

Paul, they were the Charger V-8 and V-7.  I've not seen one of these either.  Not sure if they are considered a Charger as such.??? 

 

[12 hp Kohler 1,020]

1 hour ago, stevasaurus said:

Paul, they were the Charger V-8 and V-7.  I've not seen one of these either.  Not sure if they are considered a Charger as such.??? 

 

I kinda forgot about those, I don’t think of those as normal chargers but I guess they are.  

[KC9KAS 4,743]

Limited Slip Differential....Dummy me was wondering what drugs had to do with Wheel Horses....DUH

[WHX?? 50,571]

Watch it KC... your Grateful Dead days are showing ...I guess we are talking 60/70s tractors tho! 

[pfrederi 18,295]

2 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

Paul, they were the Charger V-8 and V-7.  I've not seen one of these either.  Not sure if they are considered a Charger as such.??? 

 

 

 

Sorry i do not follow vertical shafts  Don't think they had LSD  (they are not real Chargers )

[12 hp Kohler 1,020]

Thanks for all the info guys, this will really help 

i am looking for a tractor for garden plowing and want something with an LSD. I would like to get a raider but didn’t want to end up with one without a limited slip diff cause I wasn’t sure if they all had it. Now I know what Years to look out for. 

[pfrederi 18,295]

Robbie:  it is not hard to put a 10 pinion into an 8 pinion 6/8 speed.  Did that on a 310-8 that is a towing tractor.

[12 hp Kohler 1,020]

 

5 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

Robbie:  it is not hard to put a 10 pinion into an 8 pinion 6/8 speed.  Did that on a 310-8 that is a towing tractor.

I have considered that I just don’t have the time right now. 

[WHX?? 50,571]

68, 69 vintage or even later Raider 12 with a six speed you really can't  go wrong. Later 310/12/14-8s are a really good choice. You wouldn't really have to have the LS as we do plenty of plowing with 3 speeds without. Heck we plow with a three piece on a RJ or 'Burb just for the halibut. Your gonna hang up with plowing LS is not  gonna do much difference. BUT and this is a big but soil conditions and plow setup do. You might even have a tractor now that would work decent.

Good luck and lots of plow pros here you need further help.

[12 hp Kohler 1,020]

I currently have a charger 12 that I was planning on using as a plow tractors but it needs an engine rebuild and I don’t have the time or money for that right now. I would like to find a 68 or 69 raider 12 or 14 or a 10 or 1267 but if I can’t find one of those I would go with something else.