Bigger battery

[ebinmaine 68,888]

21 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

See my earlier posting   22NF in the older WH larger battery box.

 

Saw that Paul. Thanks. I can't call any parts stores today because they're not open but I'm not finding any 22nf in my area online that have a warranty any better than three months. I have to be missing something. I feel like that should have been a car battery with a much much longer warranty at some point.

 

[ZXT 2,401]

6 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

If appreciate that. Yes please.

 

Here's what I have on the C-120. Exide Classic #51RC. Fits well with a little less than 1/2 inch of space on one side. Length is perfect on it. Doesn't move around much even though the retaining plate nuts vibrated off and dropped the plate somewhere. 

 

Apparently it is only 450CCA, though I thought it was 550. Cranks it well and has great reserve regardless.

[pfrederi 18,004]

My 22NF batteries have been in the M-37 for several years it uses 2.  I do not remember what the warranty was. One is a powervolt  one is a Interstate.  I have never had much luck with battery warranties they are usually prorated with some % off the list price which no one ever paid ever.  One did work out.  Battery died on a trip had AAA they came out and put in a new one.  2 years 9 months later it dies.  It was a 3 year replacement warranty.  They sent out a truck (I live in the boondocks he came 35 miles).  Replaced the battery no charge....

[ebinmaine 68,888]

Does anyone know when the larger battery holders were used?

My 74 B80 has a small battery holder. It will only hold a U1.

 

The Cinnamon horse  (77 C160 chassis) has the large one. I've no idea if that was original of course and it appears the PO of that tractor had done some updates. The seat base and springs were a newer type.

It's possible he had purposely replaced with a big holder.

 

[pfrederi 18,004]

Parts number for a C-160 tray is same as Electro that had big tray.  Bottom line if the battery in the pictures in the Owners manual had top clamp on terminals it was a big tray.

Edited December 1, 2019 by pfrederi

[ZXT 2,401]

I assume my C120 has the large tray? My C160 has the same size also.

 

[paul414-8 3]

On 2/23/2019 at 7:52 PM, seven said:

Okay here is what I did   I put in the biggest car battery I could find 20 bucks at the salvage yard its not pretty but it works

how did you fit in battery bay ?. I have 8.5inces of space and even a smallish sized car battery is 9in across.

[pfrederi 18,004]

39 minutes ago, paul414-8 said:

how did you fit in battery bay ?. I have 8.5inces of space and even a smallish sized car battery is 9in across.

Older WHs had bigger battery trays that would accommodate 22NF car batteries (and some other groups)  Later WHs used smaller tray that only fit L&G tractor batteries.

[peter lena 8,878]

@seven , couple of pictures ,  1st one and last one , note, first note the " battery ground rail "  next to the battery , last picture note the battery tender wire attached to choke cable , for easy battery plug in , also note the battery cable attached from engine block corner / frame area , that connects to the upper battery ground rail next to battery , those 2 improvements , have eliminated  my ignition problems . easy to do , also use rough service light bulb in a reflector under engine in winter , keeps it just warm enough to easily start , pete

 

[paul414-8 3]

On 7/14/2021 at 1:21 PM, pfrederi said:

Older WHs had bigger battery trays that would accommodate 22NF car batteries (and some other groups)  Later WHs used smaller tray that only fit L&G tractor batteries.

I just bought a 26R for my 414-8 (repowered with a K341/16HP) it fit perfect (8.5inches across). Now I have a 540 CCA battery. Its actually perches over the battery tray area forward about 2 inches over the starter solenoid.. well that seems to be a good thing and the extra CCAs are great to have. Now I move on to find a good battery hold down system. Hopefully I can find a good solution.

 

By the way, I never crank my starter for more than two seconds, if that engine does not start in two seconds, there is something else prohibiting it. First 1)  make sure you have fuel all the way up to the carb bowl (I have replaced all my fuel lines with clear lines so that I can easily see that I have fuel getting in the bowl.) 2) make sure you have spark. Not being aware of those two issues is why many starters burn out.

Edited July 19, 2021 by paul414-8

[peter lena 8,878]

@paul414-8  you might try a fuel  " squeeze bulb " on your fuel line to carb , or an electric pump , both of them help cure that fuel in carb issue , while you are at it , you can also add a fuel line check valve that will hold fuel in the carb , made up an extension spring inside a rubber hose , with heavy wire hook , on each spring end to hold my batteries in place , easy to make up and apply, if you choose. also check your choke operation , is it smooth and easy to use? , are you getting a full  plate closure at the carb? , if you have fuel in carb , vacuum suck at choke , and spark , it should quickly start. you might also put a battery tender on your set up. never burned up a starter , others might suggestions , zero in on that fuel bulb to carb, first , simple and easy to install , then verify your choke closure , it should help out a lot , send you a picture of added engine to battery grounding , that helps , pete

[peter lena 8,878]

@paul414-8 , note first and last pictures , 1st picture  , looking down on battery ground rail ,that  battery grounds to , add another battery cable from that point , to the last picture , see the battery cable bolted to the corner of the engine ? that is increased grounding , it works , also note the battery tender plug in attached to the choke cable , makes charging very easy , personally think you are very close to quick starting , good luck with it , pete

 

[peter lena 8,878]

@paul414-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=fuel+line+squeeze+bulb&sxsrf=ALeKk02hT99VlgpkQVGioMsAuicmtqsXcA%3A1626727748148&source=hp&ei=ROX1YJaiBqep_Qa1_L-wAQ&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYPXzVKuS0Lf5U9ge7M7d8HZ2fSKHrEss&oq=fuel+line+squeeze+bulb&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyAggAMgYIABAWEB46BAgjECc6CAgAELEDEIMBOgUIABCxAzoLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAguEMcBEK8BOgIILjoICC4QsQMQgwE6CwguEMcBEK8BEJMCOgUILhCxAzoICAAQFhAKEB5Q4ghYolJgyFZoAHAAeAGAAbsDiAHqFpIBCjE2LjIuMy4wLjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiW1MmMgfDxAhWnVN8KHTX-DxYQ4dUDCAk&uact=5  easy to do , pete

[squonk 41,649]

If you putting in a honkin battery make sure your cables are in good shape. All of those amps aren't gonna do squat if they can't get to the starter!