What have you done to your Wheel Horse today?

[The Freightliner Guy 1,327]

Um I thought the tarp was on tight and there is now dust jam packed into where the fuel lines go in cuz I didn’t have time to put them back on and I don’t think it’s worth struggling with all the seized bolts and yes Chinese motors is definitely a no 

[The Freightliner Guy 1,327]

There’s the part

Edited October 13, 2022 by The Freightliner Guy

[Heatingman 971]

1 hour ago, The Freightliner Guy said:

Um I thought the tarp was on tight and there is now dust jam packed into where the fuel lines go in cuz I didn’t have time to put them back on and I don’t think it’s worth struggling with all the seized bolts and yes Chinese motors is definitely a no 

Fuel lines go to the fuel tank and carb.

 

Take them off, rinse them out/blow them out and
 

start again.

 

Even if you have dirt in the motor. Same deal.

 

Gasket sets, time, elbow grease, and back in business.  

[Heatingman 971]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

"Stupid" is quite frankly a word that no person should ever use about any person... Especially themselves.  

You're 13. 

You weren't born knowing ALL. 

You were born knowing absolutely NOTHING. 

Everything you've ever done up to this point has been a LEARNED behavior.  

You WILL learn something new every day for the rest of your life. Oft times hundreds of, or even thousands of new pieces of information will be absorbed by you daily.  

 

Some of those absorptions will be about the quandary of the tractor engine.  

 

So....

WHY exactly is your own engine ruined?

What makes it wholly not savable?

 

Around this shop yard and acreage it is highly unlikely we would use a Chinese cheapo powerplant even short term. 

We would really rather spend a little extra and IMHO correct money on a quality used Kohler Briggs or Tecumseh engine than a disposable import.  

 

Well said.

[Handy Don 12,217]

2 hours ago, The Freightliner Guy said:

So I’ve decided that I’m going to get a new engine for it any recommendations thanks for any input I’m kinda giving up on the old Briggs me being 13 I’m stupid and can’t do much and this engine is ruined but I’ll figure something out hopefully 

I can understand the frustration of not knowing how to make this work. You want to get on it and drive it around and, as @ebinmaine pointed out, right now, you don't know how to make that happen. But in time, you can know.

The question for you is: "Can you muster the patience as you learn how to get your tractor to running knowing that it may take weeks or even months?" There are a bunch of folks on the forum that are willing to point you in good directions but the openness to learning and the perseverance to stick it out must come from you.

 

Edited October 14, 2022 by Handy Don

[The Freightliner Guy 1,327]

Well a ton of the bolts are seized I’m tired of cutting my fingers on it and there’s something incredibly wrong with 

 

thanks for all the input I appreciate it.

 

kollin

Edited October 14, 2022 by The Freightliner Guy

[TonyToro 1,049]

12 minutes ago, The Freightliner Guy said:

Well a ton of the bolts are seized I’m tired of cutting my fingers on it and there’s something incredibly wrong with 

 

thanks for all the input I appreciate it.

 

kollin

Lube and heat will be your greatest helper with rusted seized bolts.

You should start a new topic in the main forum and members can help you along the way.

Watch videos and read up on what ever you are going to work on. I’m sure you can get it running.

[Snoopy11 5,714]

2 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

We would really rather spend a little extra and IMHO correct money on a quality used Kohler Briggs or Tecumseh engine than a disposable import. 

Indeed.

 

I have a Techy HH120 that is sitting on the shelf now, just in case one of my other engines goes on the blitz... and I made that Tecumseh out of pretty much a hunk of what most people would consider junk...

 

To me... NOTHING is junk.

 

Don

[The Freightliner Guy 1,327]

Would you consider Chinese engines junk sir snoopy 

[Handy Don 12,217]

11 minutes ago, The Freightliner Guy said:

Would you consider Chinese engines junk sir snoopy 

Not addressed to me, but I'd be careful about using "Chinese" as a negative term. LOTS of well-engineered stuff comes from China.

If I had an unsalvageable engine or needed a very quick and inexpensive way to repower a tractor, I'd look at Predators for sure. At the same time, I would hang onto the original engine and make as few mods to the tractor as I could--especially if it was a collectable or had sentimental importance--so that if I chose to restore it later I could.

It is important to realize that the transmission and clutch may need attention as well.

[The Freightliner Guy 1,327]

Yeah we have a predator 212 in a artic cat 120z but I’m not saying all Chinese stuff is crap but not all of it is very good but yeah I’ll keep the predator in mind 

[Snoopy11 5,714]

15 hours ago, The Freightliner Guy said:

Would you consider Chinese engines junk sir snoopy 

 

To be honest, I have come to the place where I personally have no appreciation for the label "Chinese" (particularly since we have a wide variety of different people on the forum and you have no idea where they are from or what their background is), and thus I will not answer questions or commentary about that. I choose to have more respect for people.

 

You want to ask me if I think PREDATOR engines are junk, then so be it. Even then, I will give you some facts.

 

Predator is made by Lifan. Lifan produces everything from small engines to motorcycles and full blown cars.

 

If you are so incredibly picky about engines that you don't want anything Chinese, then you are up the creek and down the waterfall without a paddle, because nowadays, I don't know of any small engine that doesn't have 1 single Chinese (or other foreign countries) parts on it.

 

Briggs and Straton has used cheap Chinese slave labor for YEARS. Honda produces engines and parts in China, Thailand and other countries.

 

I have used a wide variety of engines, and have never had issues with Predator, Massimo, or other engines. I have never used "no-name" clone engines on Ebay.

 

I can give you a dump-truck load more information, but hopefully you get my drift.

 

Don

 

Edited October 14, 2022 by Snoopy11

[D_Mac 8,617]

@The Freightliner Guyslow down a bit. Do not be so concerned about some stuck nuts to the point where you want to give up. Second.... If swapping out engines is an option for you, then get what you can afford.  Look on CL, FB Market Place for an affordable  option. I put a Predator engine in a Lambert project I did and was VERY happy with it. 99 bucks, brand new, shipped to my house. Also by going with that engine I eliminated getting new fuel tank, fuel lines, etc. With your project I would start with things like repairing the steering. Tires and or tubes for tires. Get it to be a decent roller then address the engine. Having a running engine isn't going to help you if it won't steer and roll. I have never owned an RJ so I'm not familiar with how big or small of an engine you could use. If I did I would just ask these guys here and they will give you options. Don't give up.... takes time. That Lambert project I did the tranny was rusted solid. Soak , soak , soak. Every night for weeks I was out there soaking it, then it finally broke free. Time and effort, you will get it done. Here was the Lambert. Sat outside for many years. Every nut and bolt rusted solid. Got it to a nice roller with new tires, new tie rod, unsiezed the transmission. THEN.... I addressed the engine by selecting the Predator. 

[Evguy 556]

15 hours ago, The Freightliner Guy said:

Yeah we have a predator 212 in a artic cat 120z but I’m not saying all Chinese stuff is crap but not all of it is very good but yeah I’ll keep the predator in mind 

As others have stated you have some options. I bought an engine-less wheel horse and found another brand tractor and did a motor transplant, while not for everyone it worked for me. I’m selling off parts of donor tractor and will have very little in the engine in the end.

 I’m late to the thread but repair of the old engine can be a satisfying and educational quest, this only if parts aren’t sticking out of the case. 
 

[ebinmaine 67,483]

5 minutes ago, Evguy said:

t, this only if parts aren’t sticking out of the case

@Rob J.

Has a picture you'd get a HUGE kick out of..

 

[Red-Bovine 309]

Just a new battery after 5 years on the old one. Started her up for the winter snow blowing season.

[kpinnc 12,018]

18 hours ago, The Freightliner Guy said:

Would you consider Chinese engines junk sir 

 

Sadly- Kohler, Briggs, and nearly every "domestic" brand now has the majority of parts supplied from overseas. Sure they might be assembled here, but are not manufactured here. Same is true for much of what is in most folks driveways, even if the company is American.

 

So my short answer is this: nowadays, no matter what brand engine you use really matters, unless it's 25-30 years old. If I'm in a pinch, I'd rather repower an old tractor and get use out of it than let it rot in the shed. But that is just me...

[Heatingman 971]

3 hours ago, D_Mac said:

@The Freightliner Guyslow down a bit. Do not be so concerned about some stuck nuts to the point where you want to give up. Second.... If swapping out engines is an option for you, then get what you can afford.  Look on CL, FB Market Place for an affordable  option. I put a Predator engine in a Lambert project I did and was VERY happy with it. 99 bucks, brand new, shipped to my house. Also by going with that engine I eliminated getting new fuel tank, fuel lines, etc. With your project I would start with things like repairing the steering. Tires and or tubes for tires. Get it to be a decent roller then address the engine. Having a running engine isn't going to help you if it won't steer and roll. I have never owned an RJ so I'm not familiar with how big or small of an engine you could use. If I did I would just ask these guys here and they will give you options. Don't give up.... takes time. That Lambert project I did the tranny was rusted solid. Soak , soak , soak. Every night for weeks I was out there soaking it, then it finally broke free. Time and effort, you will get it done. Here was the Lambert. Sat outside for many years. Every nut and bolt rusted solid. Got it to a nice roller with new tires, new tie rod, unsiezed the transmission. THEN.... I addressed the engine by selecting the Predator. 

Are those the original rims, or aftermarket?

 

I like that ridge down the middle. 

[D_Mac 8,617]

The rims and fenders were original. 

[Rob J. 1,941]

3 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

@Rob J.

Has a picture you'd get a HUGE kick out of..

 

 

3 hours ago, Evguy said:

As others have stated you have some options. I bought an engine-less wheel horse and found another brand tractor and did a motor transplant, while not for everyone it worked for me. I’m selling off parts of donor tractor and will have very little in the engine in the end.

 I’m late to the thread but repair of the old engine can be a satisfying and educational quest, this only if parts aren’t sticking out of the case. 
 

Yep this 8hp blew out the backside of the motor right where the starter mounts. There was so much braze that the starter would not seat flush on the flywheel. It was put back together and did run but not well. 😂 So I had another 8hp to replace it but wanted to rebuild it and freshen it up and I found this. This motor apparently was rebuilt too but somehow the PO kept it together and the broken piece has been in the oil pan since then. It must have made a hell of a bang and kept running and PO said f it good nuff. 

[8ntruck 6,999]

Talking with my wife on the phone today, she reports that a heavy box showed up for me today.  That would be a good front wheel for Clyde, the C-195.  Got a good possibility of getting Clyde back together in time to help with leaf cleanup.

[ebinmaine 67,483]

Got this in the post.  

 

 

 

 

I'll take a poke at a Tecumseh fuel pump sometime.  

[Tuneup 1,433]

One of my bucket list items hit last week - was warned they were going to stop giving me vacation credits (FTO) as I was capping. Old timer - company lifer at 34 years - so that's a high number of hours. Felt good. This will give me 2 weeks in December to dedicate to the ratty 520H in the shed. The 48" deck from it is restored and in operation on the 516H. I'm longing to hear that P220 snort and that panel of gauges come alive. The rear was already tested with the 516 PTO belt and it marked-up the driveway. By Christmas, the whole machine will be in pieces. Glory! Happy Saturday y'all!

[peter lena 8,625]

@Ed Kennell just did a deck drop and plow blade install , used a flat shovel  to help lift the back of frame mount ,to rear end , hook up , made it much easier . lubricated all involved movement points , no issues , pete 

[Heatingman 971]

Picked up the neighbors Murray rider and lawn sweep. Had to tow it over with the B-80.

 

Also tested out the lawn sweep on some leaves. Not perfect, but super fun to use. Works well enough for me.

 

Also discovered my keys are scratching up my paint. Not a big deal, kind of a bummer though. So Im probably gonna put some diamond plate there and do the same on the other side to balance it out.