SylvanLakeWH 25,523 #22201 Posted October 26 (edited) Fall in Michigan... Campfire, Wheel Horse, Denali, Happy hour...!!! Edited October 26 by SylvanLakeWH 3 6 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 842 #22202 Posted October 26 Removed the "grenade gears" from my C-160. I found a great video on it that's probably been posted before, but just in case: It's just what I needed to inspire me to do mine. My gears rattled around like the bearings were worn but the teeth look good. 6 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,380 #22203 Posted October 26 31 minutes ago, GAJoe said: Removed the "grenade gears" from my C-160. Excellent. Those gears are a disaster waiting to happen. That video is our own @Pullstart !! I'll be removing the balance gears from several more K341 and K301 engines in the years to come. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,380 #22204 Posted October 26 Our friends that we built the Workhorse GT1800 for texted earlier today. He was moving dirt and the plow snapped. Nothing wrong with what he was doing. Just another horrific repair by a PO that should NOT have been allowed near a welder. Call it what you will. Bubblegum. Popcorn. Sure as $&!!\¿☆`¤%)^+_-*# is a poor job. So we gave him a spare plow frame I'd bought from @c100rider. I'll repair this one later..... 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 842 #22205 Posted October 26 22 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: Excellent. Those gears are a disaster waiting to happen. That video is our own @Pullstart !! I'll be removing the balance gears from several more K341 and K301 engines in the years to come. I thought that it was probably the same Pullstart. I was surprised at how many watches it had and a low like number. I liked it. I bet many of the watchers used the info. The least that they could do is like it. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,380 #22206 Posted October 26 2 minutes ago, GAJoe said: I thought that it was probably the same Pullstart. I was surprised at how many watches it had and a low like number. I liked it. I bet many of the watchers used the info. The least that they could do is like it. Agreed 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBQVultureWings 90 #22207 Posted October 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, ebinmaine said: Excellent. Those gears are a disaster waiting to happen. That video is our own @Pullstart !! I'll be removing the balance gears from several more K341 and K301 engines in the years to come. So do the bearings wear out & eventually gift you a catastrophe? Why do engiNeRdz do stuff like this to us? Also If we remove those balance gears, do we need to have the crankshaft rebalanced? Or will it run ok without them? I am more experienced with rebuilding Briggs & Techumseh Teardown, Hone the cylinder, freshen up valves & seats, replace seals & gaskets... As for removing equipment, I don't know so I am asking. Some of the Briggs 10HP & 11HP motors had the "synchro balanced" assemblies in them & I have never really understood the way they worked.... I have Only dealt with 1 Briggs 10HP (1974 Toro 10/32 Snow Blower engine) that had some counterweighted gears at the camshaft. At that time I wasn't very patient so I guessed on how they should go & well let's just say that was not a good idea.... it will run a while but keeps shearing flywheel keys. 1 day I will fix it but for now that Bron-TORO-saurus just sits waiting in a long line with the other 10 various Snowblowers I have 6 of them run & throw snow. All but 3 of them are from the 70s..... 1 is a 1963. but that is a completely diferent subject. Lets just say I have a "thing" for Old power Equipment & Older IS Better. A lot of new machuinery is built by Old Machinery... Edited October 27 by BBQVultureWings thought of another question 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,380 #22208 Posted October 27 8 hours ago, BBQVultureWings said: So do the bearings wear out & eventually gift you a catastrophe? It's a combination of different things. The gear teeth wear. The bearings wear. The shafts wear. Adding those together is an exponential problem. 8 hours ago, BBQVultureWings said: Why do engiNeRdz do stuff like this to us? Given that MANY MANY Kohler engines are 50+ years old and still going I'd say the engineers did well on this one. 8 hours ago, BBQVultureWings said: Also If we remove those balance gears, do we need to have the crankshaft rebalanced? Or will it run ok without them? Several of us here on Redsquare and also many in the rest of the world have removed the balance gears from big block Kohlers. @kpinnc @Pullstart @GAJoe Everything... EVERY... THING ... has an inherent vibration. For an engine, it's a matter of finding the RPM point at which it vibrates the least and can still function for the task. For my own 1975 C160 Automatic K341 the gears were so loose they were chattering in the block. The vibration of the engine changed to a different, finer motion and near full RPM it'll shake the battery sideways. I run the tractor at about 80% of top RPM. No issues. You don't NEED to have the crankshaft rebalanced but you can. I've read that there's a company that specializes in Competition Pulling engines that sells a crankshaft balance plate. It must be installed by a qualified Machine Shop. For my next build I'll be pricing that. Unlikely I'll do it but it's an option. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 55,155 #22209 Posted October 27 14 hours ago, GAJoe said: I found a great video on it that's probably been posted before Glad you are still horsing around Joe. @Pullstart has some great videos for sure. Like you said, some people don't take the time to give feedback. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,826 #22210 Posted October 27 Great discussions here, sorry I’m late to the party! @GAJoe thanks for the props! I enjoy video making, it sure is not worth the time and effort financially, so hearing some positive feedback helps make it worth it! 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 11,968 #22211 Posted October 27 4 hours ago, ebinmaine said: Everything... EVERY... THING ... has an inherent vibration. For an engine, it's a matter of finding the RPM point at which it vibrates the least and can still function for the task. My opinion here, no science at all, Just my experience. Kohler 12hp engines barely see any difference in perceived vibration. 14 and 16hp have longer stroke etc and tend to have quite a bit more, particularly at lower RPM. Even then, it isn’t bad unless your tractor has a shaker plate. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 38,095 #22212 Posted October 27 6 hours ago, ebinmaine said: it's a matter of finding the RPM point at which it vibrates the least The ONAN P220 in my 520H doesn't vibrate less, but it sounds so much happier at 3200 revs so I run it there instead of 3600. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,380 #22213 Posted October 27 15 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said: The ONAN P220 in my 520H doesn't vibrate less, but it sounds so much happier at 3200 revs so I run it there instead of 3600. Same here on all ours. We run em where they seem content. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,380 #22214 Posted October 27 Two more carbs headed to their owners tomorrow. This one's off a Kohler 8 HP. Also got into the fuel pump for it. Disassemble. Clean out. Reassembly with new diaphragm. 2 11 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WNYPCRepair 1,918 #22215 Posted October 27 I finished putting this Onan P220 back together. It came out of my 520H, and had a slight surge. I bought a NOS Onan from a guy here and swapped them back in 2010. I bought a new hour meter for the new engine and stored the old one with the old engine. It has 537 hours on it. Now that I’m retired, I decided to get the old one running. New fuel pump, filter and carb and it runs nice and smooth. Now to decide if I want to sell it or use it to build a generator. I have a 10K generator head from Harbor Freight. Then I dig into a generator that was in my Mother In Law’s garage. We were cleaning her house out to sell it after she passed a year ago. I had fuel to the carb but nothing in the bowl. Took the carb off and it was full of varnish. I had to scrape it out of the bowl with a screwdriver. The needle valve was glued in from the varnish. It’s way past being old gas. Lol. Cleaned it all up and put it back together and it purrs like a kitten. I’m going to offer it to my brother. He lost power for a week from the hurricane in E TN and NC. Now I’m wondering what to tinker with next. IMG_5273.MOV IMG_5271.MOV 8 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBQVultureWings 90 #22216 Posted October 27 Yesterday the New to Moo-Wah C-145 had a flat. This wouldn't even be worth mentioning but today I had help from a friend ( who had a limitted amount of time ) & he was on his way over. So I needed to Move the C=145 out of the way so I couold get the engine hoist to the back of my truck to Unload My New to Moo-Wah Quincy Air Compressor I got for a Smokin' Deal So the shop is getting a Very Nice new Air Compressor. I will probably be able to do Some Light sandblasting with this set up as it is a Double Pumper. Check the Pictures. I coud NOT pass the deal on this thing. Anyway having better equipment always gives the enthusiasm a boost... for Moo-Wah anyway. Got the Beast out of the truck Now to get it into its new forevever home. The guy I got it from was really intimidated by the contents of the electrical enclosure so he let it go for $1.00 over his winning bid at the auction. It's a 3 phase unit but not to worry I did this for a living for 25+ years so nothing I can't conquer..... Woo Hoo Yayyyyy Moo-Wah!!! I am super stoked to get this going & then it can be Wheel Horse fun time.After un loading the beast last night, I sat down for a smoke n a coke & was looking at the Wheel Horses...... I decided to name the C-145 "Cyclops" as it came to me missing an eye. That will get fixed but I thiMk the name is gonna stick. I am running out of daylight so I better get moving here ... More later 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,380 #22217 Posted October 27 A year or three ago Trina bought a frame for a portable garage from our local Mennonite car repair shop. It was down by the garden because she was thinking about using it as a greenhouse. That idea has been dropped. Not practical for us at this time. This afternoon she and the momma started getting it set up so we can move the "future projects and parts pile" to a better location. They used the Pigpen 867 and Ohio Steel trailer to haul the pipes around. 8 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick3478 428 #22218 Posted October 27 Spent most of the afternoon removing, retiring, and replacing the worn-out 42" SD mower on my woods beater 314-8. It's had a slowly spreading crack in the shell around the right spindle for quite awhile, but the final straw was snagging the front center roller on a tree root a couple weeks ago. Tree roots are surprisingly tough and strong, even small ones. Dead stop and bent the shell clear back against the blade. So today, I drug the deck out from under and looked it over. Could I beat the shell back into shape? Maybe, I have hammers and pry bars, but there's still the spreading crack and eroded spindle housings held on with three bolts, and the long gone baffles that let it just throw clippings everywhere, and, and ... Nah! It's too far gone. So I dug into the mower deck pile for the slightly used 42" SD deck I've been saving for just this occasion, mounted and adjusted it. All good, right? Simple no-tools swap, right? So why did it take all afternoon? Should have known better. It was all smooth for about a minute until halfway around the first pass, the motor slowed down and deck started smoking. Back to the work area again. Old belt on the new deck apparently had taken too much of a set and decided to turn, then pop off and under the left pulley. Sigh. So off come the belt covers, and the little bolts that had probably never been off since the deck was new were good to the last drop. Pulled the old belt off the new deck and replaced it with the newer belt off the old deck. Almost there, but the tensioner didn't want to take up enough slack. What the heck? After poking at it a bit, I found a piece of hickory nut shell wedged in the slide slot. Mice maybe? Dug that out and lubed it a bit, finally everything moving properly and back into service. It's amazing how simple no-tools jobs can leave parts and tools scattered everywhere. 3 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 842 #22219 Posted October 29 I got the engine back on my C-160 along with all the parts that I had to remove and it fired right up. I got my new timing light/tach and lowered the minimum RPM to around 1900. About then I saw what I thought was oil from the breather running down the front of the engine. I had overfilled the oil a bit so I removed some and fired it up again. It wasn't oil from the breather it was gasoline running out of the fuel pump..Yikes! I shut it down, closed fuel valve on the bottom of the tank, and rolled it back into it's stall. I guess I'll be replacing the fuel pump next. I think that it was one of the Kohler Plastic ones; was on it when I bought it. What fuel pump do y'all recommend? (K341) 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,380 #22220 Posted October 29 6 minutes ago, GAJoe said: What fuel pump do y'all recommend? (K341) I like rebuilding the metal ones when possible. I do have a C160-8 Tecumseh Horse that has a Facet electric pump. Limited hours so far but runs good. I'd do that again. Electric Pump options: Facet 60245 or 60304. Mr. Gasket 42s electric pump. Carter P4070. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desko 608 #22221 Posted October 29 Got all the new decals on and they are awesome! Even though the tractor isn’t finished it really brings it together with them on there. Last things to do is reseal the onan that’s leaking like a pig and get the rims and tires on it. 7 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MainelyWheelhorse 420 #22222 Posted October 30 (edited) Today on this Old Wheel horse… it was tire day, as I replaced both front tires with new complete Amazon ones. I also painted the rear rims to attempt to match the fronts. I used what I had but I think I’m going to need paint. With the exception of the seat, it’s all the small stuff now. Edited October 30 by MainelyWheelhorse 4 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MainelyWheelhorse 420 #22223 Posted October 31 (edited) Today, I built a crime scene…. Happy Halloween!!! Edited October 31 by MainelyWheelhorse 2 14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 6,997 #22224 Posted November 1 Reminds me of the Halloween parties we hosted when the kids were in UMYF on our 5 acres in Ky. One year I staged an 'accident' with EJ the 8N, a Brush Hog, and a dummy. Just one of the vignette we had set up along the 'haunted trail" that year. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bar Nuthin 189 #22225 Posted November 2 It's usually dark by the time I get a chance to clear my driveway, so I decided to upgrade my lights. I started with replacing the stock 1156 bulbs with some bright LEDs. Big improvement. I also had a set of vintage tractor lights I had picked up for free, and there were already hole in the hood from a previous owner. They mounted up nicely, but when I turned them on, they were noticeably yellow compared to the LEDs. So, I found some LED replacement bulbs and, VIOLA! Quite possible they'll be too bright if it's snowing! 3 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
