What have you done to your Wheel Horse today?

[Bill D 1,926]

11 hours ago, johnnymag3 said:

If anyone wants it let me know...runs and has great power

I'll take it.  PM me.  Thanks.

Edited March 20, 2022 by Bill D

[johnnymag3 2,520]

8 hours ago, Bill D said:

I'll take it.  PM me.  Thanks.

My son has talked me into running it until it lets loose. He has a way of doing that....besides...he has a 418 A too...

  Then I will put the shelf 18M on it I got a ways back from Ray in Conn. He talked me out of tossing it, and if and when it craps out, I will part it out...Muffler, chrome shield.  .Carb, intake , Coil, Flywheel....all the desirable parts.....Tins ,etc..... I was looking for a few bucks for it if I let it go complete, as is.

 

John  

[lynnmor 7,307]

22 minutes ago, johnnymag3 said:

My son has talked me into running it until it lets loose.

 

I guess that you removed the belt guard and checked the pulley, the hardware and the belt?

[Bill D 1,926]

1 minute ago, lynnmor said:

I guess that you removed the belt guard and checked the pulley, the hardware and the belt?

Have you pulled the flywheel and checked for loose magnets?  That could explain clicking noises.

[johnnymag3 2,520]

19 minutes ago, Bill D said:

Have you pulled the flywheel and checked for loose magnets?  That could explain clicking noises.

I did...all good in / at flywheel...and charging perfect. I also have been told that it may be a valve spring and or something in the area under the cover. It is for sure not a rotating mass issue....it is a far less deep sound..

 

.So I will continue to investigate. Any other ideas??? I did pull the belt guard and removed the belts...PTO...and any accessories.

 

 

Thanks for the replies so far.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[johnnymag3 2,520]

Also...  it does seem as if it is in the upper area of the front head....and it acts as if it is missing....like a bad plug., but I swapped the plug and its the same....

[lynnmor 7,307]

Compression checked?

[johnnymag3 2,520]

20 minutes ago, lynnmor said:

Compression checked?

Can that be achieved with the M18? by cranking???

I was always under the assumption that you cant ...due to decompression release on them....Maybe Im wrong???   I do have several Compression testers...Hmmmm

[ebinmaine 67,592]

1 hour ago, johnnymag3 said:

decompression release

I don't think there's an ACR on Kohler twins.  

[19richie66 17,508]

23 hours ago, johnnymag3 said:

seems to resonate everywhere.......if I idle down it actually goes away !!!  but as soon as I accelerate it come right back...

Had to back track…. Somone already posted my question and I must have missed it. Been that lind of weekend. Lost my glasses and misplaced my wallet. Found both but very frustrating. 

Edited March 20, 2022 by 19richie66

[Andy N. 2,154]

3 hours ago, johnnymag3 said:

Can that be achieved with the M18? by cranking???

I was always under the assumption that you cant ...due to decompression release on them....Maybe Im wrong???   I do have several Compression testers...Hmmmm

I found that compression leak down works the best. I did this on my 418-A last fall when it was hard starting and found that it needed a valve job. I did the valve job and have a small ticking noise on the front cylinder, but knew I probably would as I got a little aggressive on one of the valve stems and the clearance is a little more than it should be. 
 

This would at least help isolate if it’s something in the valve train. 
 

Before and after pics of the leak down compression.

 

 

 

 

[Andy N. 2,154]

Spent over 1 hour on FaceTime today as “WH tech support” with my sister in KY that I got the 417-A for a few months back. My other sister from IN was visiting her and they decided to tackle installing the tiller. I think in the end it was a good time had by all especially me since I didn’t have to do any heavy lifting and in the end, the garden plot got it’s first till. I let them know that I was proud of them and they should be proud of themselves because in my opinion, this is the hardest WH attachment to install and it only gets easier. 
 

[JoeM 7,874]

On 3/19/2022 at 1:04 PM, pfrederi said:

GT14

Paul as compared to other WH's 3,4 500 series what makes it possible to use the taller rear tires? How much difference in the frame etc.? I only owned 1 and it was for a very short time.

[johnnymag3 2,520]

1 hour ago, 19richie66 said:

Had to back track…. Somone already posted my question and I must have missed it. Been that lind of weekend. Lost my glasses and misplaced my wallet. Found both but very frustrating. 

Any Ideas for the Eddie Tractor????

[JoeM 7,874]

Back on the 520H, I busted the brake lever off of the shaft when I removed it. thought I could run a die on the shaft and double nut a lever in place. I over tightened the lock nut and snapped the shaft off at the old pinhole. Not thinking the shaft is pretty soft and I ended up welding a bolt on in it's place and it all worked out good. I like it because I can locate the lever where I want it up, or level. 

Put seat pan on with new lights and the seat, looking okay. Got to dig out a deck and might start the season with it to make sure it runs good. Thinking it may have to go cause room is at a  premium...... not sure yet.

 

[19richie66 17,508]

28 minutes ago, johnnymag3 said:

Any Ideas for the Eddie Tractor????

I had an air cleaner base screw fall down into the intake(it was there from previous owner “repair”) and embed into the piston. It ran but didn’t sound to great. Made my good deal sour quickly. Maybe a loose valve seat? 

[johnnymag3 2,520]

15 minutes ago, 19richie66 said:

I had an air cleaner base screw fall down into the intake(it was there from previous owner “repair”) and embed into the piston. It ran but didn’t sound to great. Made my good deal sour quickly. Maybe a loose valve seat? 

Gonna tear it down....

[kpinnc 12,083]

6 hours ago, johnnymag3 said:

area of the front head....and it acts as if it is missing....like a bad plug., but I swapped the plug and its the same....

 

If it's a Magnum, maybe check the magneto clearances on the flywheel. I've seen dirt daubers and mice make a mess in those areas- and there isn't much room to spare.

[lynnmor 7,307]

1 hour ago, Andy N. said:

Spent over 1 hour on FaceTime today as “WH tech support” with my sister in KY that I got the 417-A for a few months back. My other sister from IN was visiting her and they decided to tackle installing the tiller. I think in the end it was a good time had by all especially me since I didn’t have to do any heavy lifting and in the end, the garden plot got it’s first till. I let them know that I was proud of them and they should be proud of themselves because in my opinion, this is the hardest WH attachment to install and it only gets easier. 

 

For those that ever wondered why a hydro tractor doesn't do well with a tiller, this video should answer all your questions.

 

[76c12091520h 3,621]

Finished the rebuilds on a pair of K-series:

[Andy N. 2,154]

44 minutes ago, lynnmor said:

 

For those that ever wondered why a hydro tractor doesn't do well with a tiller, this video should answer all your questions.

 

I haved used both manuals and hydros with a tiller. While I agree that a manual is better with a tiller for consistent ground engagement, once she figures out how to handle the forward control while being pushed by the tiller, she’ll be fine and it’ll get the job done. Plus the tiller is easier to raise and lower with the hydro. Also, this was her first attempt at using the tiller, and with all the other attachments that she has, the hydro works better over all. 

[Lee1977 6,664]

8 hours ago, johnnymag3 said:

Also...  it does seem as if it is in the upper area of the front head....and it acts as if it is missing....like a bad plug., but I swapped the plug and its the same....

They will miss if the valves are too tight.

[Bill D 1,926]

20 minutes ago, Lee1977 said:

They will miss if the valves are too tight.

Pull the valve covers and check for proper clearance between valve stem and tappet.  Proper compression is between  90-120 psi according to the manual.

[johnnymag3 2,520]

I do not believe they are adjustable

[JoeM 7,874]

10 hours ago, Andy N. said:

the hydro works better over all

for tilling I like it better.

I have found that these machines are powerful and weight in all four corners helps alot with both gear and hydro when tilling.