Eric Friedrichsen 111 #1 Posted December 2, 2017 Two years ago I modified my 414-8 to reduction gear steering and swept forward front axle. My plow frame had to have frame extensions added to it in order to be able to angle the plow. The plow extensions meant that there was added leverage on my manual lift. As I am now 79 years old and have arthritic hands the added weight was almost impossible to lift the plow. I measured the dead weight of the plow and it was 113.5 lbs for a 48 inch blade. After spending time thinking about it I decided to try to relieve some of the weight with springs. I found on the McMaster Carr website the following corrosion proof extension spring 94135K92. My plow travel measured at around 3" and I wanted the spring to have some pressure to hold the plow in the up position so I determined that I wanted a spring with a total travel of 5". The above spring has a break out pressure of 11.62lbs and a spring rate of 6.25lbs/inch which means that if I could support the spring just under the frame and suspended from the hood hinge pin I would have an up pressure of almost 18lbs and a pressure up of 36.62 lbs when the plow was down and still have one inch of travel remaining tin the spring. I purchased two of the springs (around $20.00 + ship) and installed them simply as shown in the attached pictures. The 1/2" steel rod I had in my stock and it was 14" long so I found that to be just about perfect. With the mounting method shown the only thing retaining the rod is the pressure of the springs. Note that one of the springs has to go between the angle wire and the frame. The mounting is very quick and easy With the plow in the up position place one spring between the angle operating rod and then feed the 1/2" rod through the lower eyes. Cock the rod so that it fits under the frame and then lever the other end under its side of the frame. plumb up and straighten the rod and adjust the springs so that they do not rub and it is ready to go. I measured the amt of weight the springs relieved and it is more than half. Without springs the weight on the blade was 113.5 lbs. With the springs installed the weight was 48.5 lbs. This was much lighter and it gives the side effect of less wear on the plow actuating linkage. I store the tractor with the plow in the up position so there is less static stretch on the springs. I have no idea how this will last or if operationally it will be successful but initially it is promising. I'll let you know after the first snow if it is working ok. Picture 1:Springs hanging loosely from the hood hinge pin. Picture 2:Shows how the 1/2" rod (14 " long) slips through the springs. Picture 3: Shows how the rod is cocked at an angle and levered underneath the frame ( note the position of one of the springs positioned between the angle actuating rod and the frame. Picture 4: Shows the final installation 9 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elcamino/wheelhorse 9,296 #2 Posted December 2, 2017 That is an excellent modification . Does the 14 inch bar under the plow frame slip or do you have it welded or other wise attached to the frame. After pushing leaves most today my left arm is about worn out. Thanks for the great idea. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 38,022 #3 Posted December 2, 2017 That is a well engineered mod. But when we reach level 7 {70-79} we need to go with hydro lifts. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Friedrichsen 111 #4 Posted December 2, 2017 The bar is not attached. I just angle it and lever it underneath the frame and it goes very easily. It is held in place solely by spring pressure which also holds it centered. A couple of test runs I did and it seems to work fine. Only a good session working the plow will tell whether or not there are any problems. Eric 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elcamino/wheelhorse 9,296 #5 Posted December 2, 2017 56 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said: That is a well engineered mod. But when we reach level 7 {70-79} we need to go with hydro lifts. I have electric lift kit for the 416-8 but got it too late to install before pushing leaves required , o well spring is coming. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KC9KAS 4,741 #6 Posted December 3, 2017 @Eric Friedrichsen Very good modification and explanation of what you did. I can see that you (or a PO) did a little front wheel/hub modification too! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankman 3,518 #8 Posted December 3, 2017 46 minutes ago, KC9KAS said: @Eric Friedrichsen Very good modification and explanation of what you did. I can see that you (or a PO) did a little front wheel/hub modification too! Great work and please show 'n tell us about the front wheel modifications. Pic's too would be nice. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 55,075 #9 Posted December 3, 2017 Great post and explanation of your modification. I too am at level 7, don't get a lot of snow here but hydro lift is the way to go for me. 5 hours ago, Ed Kennell said: when we reach level 7 {70-79} we need to go with hydro lifts. That is why I bought the 418C. Loaded the rear tires plus weights and tire chains going on soon. Now I can actually use a solid link and get some down force, couldn't do that with the 1055, although it will be my #2 snow pusher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrc 810 #10 Posted December 3, 2017 great idea! i look forward to your progress report mike in mass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Friedrichsen 111 #11 Posted December 3, 2017 Tankman, About 4 years ago I picked up a much abused 414-8 and restored it to be a working tractor. I found the steering to be excessively stiff and after fooling around with all of the adjustments I still couldn't get the steering effort to be acceptable. On RS I found a very good thread describing changing to the 520HC front end (reduction gear steering and swept forward axles). The thread also described using trailer hubs and wheels. I followed the advice on the thread and found it to be excellent. The only mod I did to the hubs was to drill and tap them for grease fittings. The mods I did to the tractor are: 520HC front end 520HC reduction gear steering Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 38,022 #12 Posted December 3, 2017 Last year, I picked up a 417 hydro and it is hard to steer compared to any of the other Cs, 300s, or the 520 that I have. I can't see any difference in the steering components between these tractors. Do all the 400 series steer hard? Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Friedrichsen 111 #13 Posted December 3, 2017 Oops, I hit the wrong button on the computer and it posted the note before I was finished. Here are the rest of the mods I did: trailer hubs (modified with zerk fittings) and trailer wheels 13 " steering wheel pillow block bearings on upper steering shaft and lower steering shaft forward, zerk fittings added to all bearings, shimmed all steering bushings electric fuel pump rewired entire tractor to eliminate nuisance "safety" switches (I know, I know, I am careful). added amp meter and hour meter changed engines to a Kohler M14T that I modified to have an alternator and high torque starter motor (kept the manual rope starter), Old M14S I'll rebuild for a spare added a brake pedal return stop added electric tail lights and flashing red LED light 2000 lumen LED headlights There is still a little play in the steering but it is much better and lighter than it was. Eric I don't know Ed. I only have experience with an 857 and a commando 800 and they were fine. I think something that can aggravate the steering is the weight of the cast iron M14 and the surface area of the wide front tires. The reduction gear steering + the 13" steering wheel + 25lbs air pressure in the front tires and adjusting the toe in perfectly all makes the steering acceptable. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Friedrichsen 111 #14 Posted December 11, 2017 Success!! I plowed twice during the last snowstorm. The first time was 5" of wet snow and the second time was 1". The modification worked perfectly. Even though the lower bar is only held in position by spring pressure it did not move. The force I have to exert on the up/down handle is about half what it was before the modification, especially in the up motion when the plow is in the down position. Ideally I would like to find a spring with a little more spring rate. The spring I used was a McMaster Carr: 94135K92, Length 8", Ext. Length 13.5", Breakout Pressure 11.62lbs, Rate 6.25 lbs/inch, cost 10.92ea The next spring they have available is: 94135K93, Length 8", Ext. Length 12.73", Breakout Pressure 15.14lbs, Rate 8.36 lbs/inch, cost 12.30ea I would like to find a spring with the following approximate specs. length 8", Ext. Length 13.0", Breakout Pressure 13lbs, rate 7.25 lbs/inch I am a little afraid to use the McMAster Carr k93 spring as it might not give the plow enough down pressure. The K92 spring worked just fine and there was no float of the plow. Somewhere there is a balance point where the plow will not have enough down force. If I find a better spring I'll let you know. Meanwhile the K92 spring works just fine I am just trying to fine tune the application. Eric Share this post Link to post Share on other sites