AlexR 1,208 #151 Posted March 30 I actually just put in a order got some rubber grommets and a couple of the 90° tank fitting to 1/4 barb. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexR 1,208 #152 Posted April 1 After seeing @Achto's awesome 68 Raider and seeing his hydraulic lift I started thinking of how to get hydraulic lift on the gear drive tractors. Of course there is the traditional belt driven pump, a spool, and cylinder. Then there is the electric actuators which seem to not perform well from what I have seen. So the third option is the one I am considering currently is a electric pump like what would be on a dump trailer. I realize it's a decent load to put on the battery and definitely will need the 22nf battery not a U1 battery. That said for the short amount of time it's actually running I think the system could handle it. The one pump I am looking at now is 6 inches by 6 inches and 18 inches long, 4 qaurt reservoir. Still fairly big but I can put it nearly anywhere as long as its reasonable run of hoses to the hydraulic cylinder. I can do some more searching to try to find a smaller one, as the cylinder size is going to be so small it doesn't need much reservoir. Or since it's a steel reservoir tank maybe cut it down and make it smaller, to reduce the length. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 13,511 #153 Posted April 1 19 minutes ago, AlexR said: Still fairly big but I can put it nearly anywhere as long as its reasonable run of hoses to the hydraulic cylinder. Wonder if it could be made to fit under the rear fenders in the "toolbox"? Or modify the toolbox to make it fit... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexR 1,208 #154 Posted April 1 Just now, kpinnc said: Wonder if it could be made to fit under the rear fenders in the "toolbox"? Or modify the toolbox to make it fit... I was thinking that or even possiblity under the tractor. That would limit use of the tractor obviously but I would be happy with just snowblower and rear sleeve hitch as far as attachments. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 50,560 #155 Posted April 1 What about hanging it on the front? It's not gonna care how long the hoses are. I've got a pump like Dan's if you want to do a set up like his. I was gonna drive it off the flywheel side like his and copy his bracket. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexR 1,208 #156 Posted April 1 6 hours ago, WHX?? said: What about hanging it on the front? It's not gonna care how long the hoses are. I've got a pump like Dan's if you want to do a set up like his. I was gonna drive it off the flywheel side like his and copy his bracket. That's definitely a possibility to hang it off the front I would prefer to make it a neat install but could build a box for it. Honestly I don't even need a hydraulic lift for myself, its more so other people who might struggle with manual lift can use it. Well that said it would be nice for the snowblower that sucker is heavy!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 13,264 #157 Posted April 1 I’ve looked at units intended for small dump trucks and for snowplows at flea markets e.g. Zagray. The overall size (big and cumbersome) and high current requirement put me off. The pump volume and pressure were plenty adequate though I’m not sure how “featherable” the flow would be. The HY-1 & HY-2 units from the mid-60s WHs are belt powered and had a “reservoir” built in. A key part of a reservoir’s job is to handle the difference in a cylinder's internal fluid volume between having its rod fully retracted vs. fully extended. It also must include a means to handle thermal expansion. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexR 1,208 #158 Posted April 1 2 hours ago, Handy Don said: I’m not sure how “featherable” the flow would be. You are right about the feathering it's either a on or off with the electric pumps. Maybe a Wheelhorse HY pump would be best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 13,264 #159 Posted April 1 (edited) 50 minutes ago, AlexR said: Maybe a Wheelhorse HY pump would be best. As for feathering, adding a pressure relief valve would permit running the pump while not moving the cylinder but I know most dump and plow controls have the pump on/off integrated directly into the lift/drop or left/right control lever. @ri702bill is nearing the end of adding an engage/disengage “clutch" to his 702-mounted (?) HY. His thinking is to have it not loading through engine or getting wear and tear while starting and doing tasks where the lift isn’t important. The HY-2 & -3 manufactured by Hein were used on many garden tractors of the era, JD 110’s, Ford, Intl Cubs, Economy, and more, but were an expensive option in the day and hence not so easy to find! A friend has one on a shelf from his Economy that he swears he’ll remount someday--hmmmm. Edited April 1 by Handy Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ri702bill 8,922 #160 Posted April 1 2 hours ago, Handy Don said: 3 hours ago, AlexR said: Maybe a Wheelhorse HY pump would be best. As for feathering, adding a pressure relief valve would permit running the pump while not moving the cylinder but I know most dump and plow controls have the pump on/off integrated directly into the lift/drop or left/right control lever. @ri702bill is nearing the end of adding an engage/disengage “clutch" to his 702-mounted (?) HY. His thinking is to have it not loading through engine or getting wear and tear while starting and doing tasks where the lift isn’t important. A bit premature to share this concept - need to work out the details. @Handy Don had suggested utilizing an electric clutch - I chose another route... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexR 1,208 #161 Posted April 2 (edited) The more I look into it, and think about it. I think for right now, I should focus on doing the restoration on the Raider 14. Then after that if I can find a hydro lift parts tractor, I might look into it again. Edited April 2 by AlexR 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 27,243 #162 Posted April 2 Another concept would be a winch... work like a charm, cheap and quite easy to install... mine is on a 2" plate so it can go front and back... I use it for my snow plow blade... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HyperPete 439 #163 Posted April 2 So the hydraulic unit on my '73 isn't stock? I assumed it was just an option, but now I guess it came with the FEL. The electric clutch engages the pump. If photos would be useful, I'll be happy to take them, and to get brands / model numbers of the parts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexR 1,208 #164 Posted April 2 12 hours ago, HyperPete said: So the hydraulic unit on my '73 isn't stock? I assumed it was just an option, but now I guess it came with the FEL. The electric clutch engages the pump. If photos would be useful, I'll be happy to take them, and to get brands / model numbers of the parts. Yeah that pump probably came with the FEL. I am also thinking about a FEL for the other tractor so I wouldn't mind some photos. Photos of Wheelhorse's are always great! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HyperPete 439 #165 Posted April 2 I just came inside, so I'll get some tomorrow. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexR 1,208 #166 Posted Thursday at 10:10 PM Got the new grommets and 90° tank to 1/4 barb fittings 5 grommets and 3 fittings was a little over $14 shipped and after tax. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
