Gernzz8 38 #1 Posted January 17, 2016 I am replacing the shifter boot on a B100 8 Speed and I have this "Stud with a Lock Nut?" facing the front coming off the shifter? The nut is loose, it appears to be a lock nut? Is there a procedure to tighten this lock nut? Does the new boot, just get "pulled" around this nut/stud? Thanks in advance, Danny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 37,134 #2 Posted January 17, 2016 Use an allen head wrench in the end of the threaded stud to adjust the play in the shifter... just tighten it down enough to allow ease of shifting into all gears, then tighten down the lock nut. Pull and fit the boot down over the dog point set screw assembly, and you're good to go. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernzz8 38 #3 Posted January 17, 2016 Thank You, Brother..... All the Best 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,094 #4 Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Oooo, that's a long one. Most aren't that long so it's easier for the boot to just slip over. If the boot fits, just use it. If you want, you can find a shorter "dog point set screw" which is 1/4-20 at most hardware stores. Procedure is to tighten the screw snug but the shifter should move freely. Then tighten the lock nut to hold it in place. That screw holds the shifter in place. Edited January 17, 2016 by wallfish 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernzz8 38 #5 Posted January 17, 2016 I Seriously, Love these machines. "One for the Chalkboard" How to take the "Slop" out of your shifter. As I learn about the Wheel Horse, I become aware, of yet again, another adjustment/repair to keep her going! The Bummer is.......Everything manufactured today is meant to be replaced/thrown out. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernzz8 38 #6 Posted January 17, 2016 I thought it seemed a wee bit too long. I really didn't need to adjust the set screw, the shifts seem to be "just right" for all the gears. So, I tightened it where it was. The boot does fit over the set screw. I think I still may look for a shorter "dog point set screw". I was under the impression from the "Original Owner" that nothing was done and all was original. John, do you think it was replaced?. The old shifter boot that I took off (extremely dry rotted) had a red painted tinge to it. I'm not sure if Wheel Horse painted them with the boot on? Thanks, John Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankman 3,518 #7 Posted January 17, 2016 Certainly a long set screw. Obviously the screw you use should be shorter. My opinion, long set screw will tear up a new shift boot due to shifting gears. Put a little Never-Seez on the screw threads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,265 #8 Posted January 17, 2016 The last batch of those setscrews I got were long like that. Apparently that's just what Toro decided to use. I agree with them damaging the boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 15,660 #9 Posted January 17, 2016 Just get a thread protector cap from the hardware store. Slip it over the end. That will protect the inside of the boot and keep dirt and debris out of the end of the set screw. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gary L. 12 #10 Posted January 18, 2016 I punch a hole using a leather punch in the side of the boot that is a snug fit to slide over the set screw. the boot fits good and stays in place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernzz8 38 #11 Posted January 18, 2016 I'm not having any luck finding the 1/4-20 X 1" "Dog Point" set screw for the shifter. Gary, I don't like the idea of penetrating the boot. The gear oil in the Transaxle was like Cheese Whiz, from water entry. I bought my B100 in November and it came with a Snowblade. So, I will be using it in the snow and from what I'm hearing about the "1533" obsolete axle bearing, I don't want to have any water in the Transaxle. This set screw is just too long, it will rub through the new boot in time. I am literally stretching it over and can feel the set screw distort the boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 15,660 #12 Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Get a thread protector and that boot will be fine until you find the correct set screw. Edited January 18, 2016 by rmaynard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernzz8 38 #13 Posted January 18, 2016 I'm waiting for my Brake & Input Shaft seals to come in at NAPA......(Thank you Guys for ALL the tranny specs and cross numbers!!)......... Hopefully, they come tomorrow. I think I will look into McMaster-Carr or Lawson for the set screw. I wanted to finish everything before putting it all back together.......Bob, I will use your suggestion until I have the proper set screw. Snow is coming to Jersey this weekend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,133 #14 Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) mcmaster carr carry the setscrews if you are worried about the extra length. I would do as @rmaynard said until you get the right one. I have got the setscrews from mc master I will see if i can find a pn...... edit. $5.61 for pack of 10.... 95289A347 some extra reading on the subject.... http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/33552-damaged-threads-in-shifter-set-screw-hole/?do=findComment&comment=290383 Edited January 18, 2016 by Martin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernzz8 38 #15 Posted January 18, 2016 1/4-20 X 1inch Alloy Steel......... $8.00 for a package of 25.......Who needs a set screw? McMaster-Carr Part #92505A5 $7.85 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,133 #16 Posted January 18, 2016 why buy 25 when you can buy 10 for $5 something? 95289A347 used to be in packs of 25 too, but now in packs of 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernzz8 38 #17 Posted January 18, 2016 Thanks Martin!!.....Just ordered them. (I will have 9 extra if someone is in need.) All the Best, Danny 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,094 #18 Posted January 19, 2016 Guess I'm one of the lucky ones. There are 2 "old school" hardware stores nearby that still carry all kinds of those little parts like this. Unfortunately stores like them can't always compete with the big conglomerate chain stores and are becoming more rare than a RJ-25 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leeave96 487 #19 Posted January 21, 2016 Yes - McMaster Carr is the place to get the dog point set screws. However...... Don't over tighten the lock nut or you can break off the set screw with a very short piece left in the tranny casting and will find yourself with a pair of tweezers to get it out. Don't ask me how I know..... Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elcamino/wheelhorse 9,358 #20 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/19/2016 at 9:00 PM, wallfish said: Guess I'm one of the lucky ones. There are 2 "old school" hardware stores nearby that still carry all kinds of those little parts like this. Unfortunately stores like them can't always compete with the big conglomerate chain stores and are becoming more rare than a RJ-25 You may think I am lying but I am not. There are not old school hardware stores in Richmond that I can find . Hardware stores- True Value ,ACE etc. When I visit my uncle in Bedford PA I make a point making a list of items that I need or am low on and visit the old school hardware store . Only 230 miles one way from my house Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernzz8 38 #21 Posted January 21, 2016 Just installed the new "revised" set screw. Quite a difference between the two. I'm not too tight on the set screw or the lock nut and I can move the shifter up and down a few thousands. I noticed that 1st & 2nd gear (to the Right) "glides" into gear and Reverse & 3rd gear (to the Left) "drop" into gear. Before the replacement of the set screw, ALL my shifts "dropped" in? I will monitor as I use her. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 15,660 #22 Posted January 21, 2016 Not sure I understand what you mean by "drop" and "glide". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernzz8 38 #23 Posted January 21, 2016 When I shift it into 1st there is a minor feel of resistance the whole way, 2nd gear is the same with just a little less resistance. In Reverse you can feel the "notch" as you enter and it "drops" into gear no resistance if any, same with 3rd. I removed the set screw and can see a small "witness" wear mark showing on the Dog Point. I'm thinking that the set screw has to seat into the 40 year old shifter ball. What do you think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,265 #24 Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) You should feel when the shifter detent balls drop into the notches in all gears. Adjust the set screw until you feel some resistance going through the gears then back off a fuzz and tighten the locknut to hold it there. It kinda sounds like it may be a bit tight. The dogpoint should go in the hole on the front of the ring on the shifter. Edited January 21, 2016 by Racinbob 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernzz8 38 #25 Posted January 21, 2016 8 hours ago, Gernzz8 said: When I shift it into 1st there is a minor feel of resistance the whole way, 2nd gear is the same with just a little less resistance. In Reverse you can feel the "notch" as you enter and it "drops" into gear no resistance if any, same with 3rd. I removed the set screw and can see a small "witness" wear mark showing on the Dog Point. I'm thinking that the set screw has to seat into the 40 year old shifter ball. What do you think? I am definitely in the hole on the front of the shifter with the dog point & I can physically see the shifter ball move up and down when I pull/push the shifter. I will loosen it a wee bit when I get home tonight. The interesting thing is that Reverse & 3rd are Normal, 1st & 2nd Drag into gear. I drove it last night (standing on the trailer hitch) and all the shifts stay in gear and feel positive. If you look at the set screws in the photos you can see the "break in" of the original dog point. I'll touch base later. Have a Great Day! Danny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
