Help identify my wheelhorse

[Ohiocop 7]

I just bought this wheel horse tractor, it runs and drives great. It came with a plow attachment. I'm planning on using it to plow my driveway. I would like to get a mower deck for it in the future, any help would be greatly appreciate. 

[stevasaurus 22,705]

I'm thinking you have a 1962 Wheel Horse 702 there.  7 stands for the hsp of the Kohler, 0 stands for electric start, 2 stands for 1962.  Any short frame snow blade will work, you need to find a belt guard (so you do not grind the gears when shifting, a 32" or 36" rear discharge mower deck will work also. 
If there is a serial number plate, it is under the amp gauge on the tower.  It would look like 62-XXXXX.

BTW...Welcome to Red Square 

Edited July 14, 2015 by stevasaurus

[dw753 208]

Steve it may be a 753 front axle is a 1963 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[953 nut 55,051]

Presuming what you see is what you got, it would be a 753. Over the years a previous owner will swap parts from another  horse to upgrade or maintain, but with that said a 7 HP Kohler Electric start  Model K161S 28626E  engine and a 5025 transmission would be the two numbers that would confirm it for you. 

Steve had a little "Senior Moment" on the numbering system (happens to all of us);
                                                                                                       753                                                  1055                         1075
First number(s)  represents HP                                                         7                                                   10                              10

Second number 0= pull start  5=Electric start  7= Automatic             5                                                       5                                7    (all automatics were electric start)

Last number, Year of manufacture (3=1963; 5=1965)                         3                                                        5                               5
                                                                                   753                                        1055                   1075

[stevasaurus 22,705]

No  Senior Moment here this time.  You are right about the 1963 horses and the numbers, but the 702 is an electric start...the 502 is a pull start...the 552 is an electric start.  1962 was a weird year for those numbers...the 701 is an electric start also.  One thing I saw, that I do not have on my 702 that is on this horse...the adjustment wheel on the lift lever...but I went into the gallery and someone had put a 702 in there with that piece.  I agree...753.  Some day I will figure this out.  LOL   

Maybe we need to take a good look in the Wheel Horse picture Gallery and straighten things out.  There are a ton of missing pictures in there also.  Might need some winter cleaning. 

[Ohiocop 7]

Wow this is amazing thankyou guys so much, it is an electrice start so you are correct there and I will check the number when I get off work  and post them to confirm. I really appreciate the help 

ANY idea what this tractor would be worth? Just curious if I got a good deal or not. It came with the snow blade 

I have one other picture of the tractor but it won't let me upload it lol 

Edited July 14, 2015 by Ohiocop

[953 nut 55,051]

Steve, it looks like Cecil Pond wanted to give us a little conundrum to deal with when he was assigning numbers to the 1962 herd. I was going from general nomenclature on '60s numbering and the "all years" chart but must yield to first hand owner information. Sorry about that, 

[stevasaurus 22,705]

No problem Richard...I really am having more senior moments then I like...it is going with the territory lately.  I always have liked trying to figure out what horse someone has...I am probably about 3 wins and 257 losses.  I'm looking for that hiding under the chair emoticon and I can't even find that.   Yes, there certainly is some tricks to this system...it is not Corvettes.  I just learned last week that they used up Clintons on the early 400 suburbans.  If you kept track of all the differences between fenders, axles, welded towers, steering wheels, stamped frames, 2 piece gas tanks, foot rests, throttle cables, tool boxes and seats...you would have a 1000 post-it notes and still be wrong...maybe.    Here is the deal...all together we are a good team...and right / wrong or close...I know I always learn something...the problem is trying to retain it. 

BTW...that is an interesting attachment for the rear end of that snow blade...looks like it bolts right on to the rear axle...I think it is home made.    I am probably wrong about that not being factory also, but I have not seen anything like that yet. 
 

Edited July 14, 2015 by stevasaurus

[stevasaurus 22,705]

As far as what is it worth...if you and the seller feel good about the deal, then that is all you need.  If that horse starts and runs good  a good deal is anywhere from free to ,maybe $250...you need some things so $250 is on the high side.  The snow blade is worth around $150 and it looks like you have some scrapper blade left on the blade edge.  You should be able to find a good mower deck for around $50 to $75. 

[squonk 41,018]

I'm hoping for some "senior moments" from you during football season.  Oh I checked at work today Steve, Your room will be ready Monday! 

[Ohiocop 7]

That's great I paid 30.00 for it lol guys thanks so much for the help I greatly appreciate it 

[953 nut 55,051]

$ 30.00! You stole it. Congratulations.    
 

[Sprocket 48]

Knowing what I know I'd have paid double that.  Congrats on the purchase.  If I had to name it, "Pond Conundrum" isn't that bad given the circumstance.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

No  Senior Moment here this time.  You are right about the 1963 horses and the numbers, but the 702 is an electric start...the 502 is a pull start...the 552 is an electric start.  1962 was a weird year for those numbers...the 701 is an electric start also.  One thing I saw, that I do not have on my 702 that is on this horse...the adjustment wheel on the lift lever...but I went into the gallery and someone had put a 702 in there with that piece.  I agree...753.  Some day I will figure this out.  LOL   

Maybe we need to take a good look in the Wheel Horse picture Gallery and straighten things out.  There are a ton of missing pictures in there also.  Might need some winter cleaning. 

Just when there's finally a good clear picture you knock it out of focus.  A number of sources, (none first hand!) suggests that a 752 would be an electric start and a 702 a recoil.  Now I'm sure that swaps and upgrades exists so I would not be at all surprised to see a 702 (emphasis in the "0"!) could today be an electric start.  But you are saying that a brand new 702 was equipped with electric start?

[stevasaurus 22,705]

Yes the 702 was an electric start from the factory...I have one...there is no 752.  You have to remember that the garden tractor industry was kind of new and not an exact science.  A lot of parts were used in the next year's production (to use up inventories)...don't even want to talk about how they did things over seas at the Belgium plant.  After 1962, Wheel Horse used a system that a mother could love, but those days were numbered...it all changed again after 1967...when we went to AFL football team names.  That is why so many people put their horses on this site and ask what they are...and that is why it takes a bunch of us to come up with the right answer. 

Edited July 19, 2015 by stevasaurus

[wallfish 16,981]

$ 30.00! You stole it. Congratulations.    

 

Ironic, he is an Ohio cop

[DennisThornton 4,769]

Well, I've read that Pond/WH sometimes used up parts and/or used what there was and that usage didn't always align perfectly with model changes and years.  I also suppose that there were some production errors as well as other errors.  I'm not going to "un-carve" my stone but keep adding exceptions to the nomenclature rules for the 1960-67 WHs.

And certainly thanks for adding yet another "exception"!

Dennis

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No  Senior Moment here this time.  You are right about the 1963 horses and the numbers, but the 702 is an electric start...the 502 is a pull start...the 552 is an electric start.  1962 was a weird year for those numbers...the 701 is an electric start also.  One thing I saw, that I do not have on my 702 that is on this horse...the adjustment wheel on the lift lever...but I went into the gallery and someone had put a 702 in there with that piece.  I agree...753.  Some day I will figure this out.  LOL   

Maybe we need to take a good look in the Wheel Horse picture Gallery and straighten things out.  There are a ton of missing pictures in there also.  Might need some winter cleaning.  

[stevasaurus 22,705]

  Hey Dennis...feel free to hop in on those threads about "identifying my horse" .  They can get pretty entertaining for sure.    It gets easier if you have one in the barn,   It is when you do not have one of those that you start searching the photos and all your post-it notes.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

  Hey Dennis...feel free to hop in on those threads about "identifying my horse" .  They can get pretty entertaining for sure. 

  It gets easier if you have one in the barn,   It is when you do not have one of those that you start searching the photos and all your post-it notes.

I just spent some time searching specifically for electric start 702s.  No problem finding confirming pictures and comments!  Seems that 701s are also electric starts.  Gads this identifying is time consuming!  And yes indeed, having one helps but you never know for sure what is original.

Anyway, thanks for helping me NOT spread incorrect info!!!  Guess I better put my chisel up and go back to caulk...  Now where is my eraser?

Dennis in Upstate NY

[Graham 0]

I just joined the WHCC. The first topic I see was discussion on the 702.
I have one. No lift handle adjustment.
The problem appears to be the fact that the 7hp engine has the k121 block. Parts seem to be a problem. Does it exist or is this a stamping error on the block?
Regards
Graham

[stevasaurus 22,705]

Graham...Welcome to Red Square   The 702 came with a K-161 not a K-121...the spec # is 28626E.  Parts for the K-161 should not be a problem. 
Maybe you typed wrong...I don't see a K-121 engine.
http://www.kohlerengines.com/manuals/landing.htm

[DennisThornton 4,769]

  Hey Dennis...feel free to hop in on those threads about "identifying my horse" .  They can get pretty entertaining for sure. 

  It gets easier if you have one in the barn,   It is when you do not have one of those that you start searching the photos and all your post-it notes.

I just started another thread and was hoping that you would jump right in so here's a bit of prodding:


I've bought "Straight From the Horse's Mouth, The Wheel-Horse Story", read a ton of online info, joined the yahoo groups, downloaded IPLs, manuals, brochures, read most of the forum chats, viewed and collected, sorted hundreds of pictures and tried to build a database of info about WH garden tractors.  Overall I think I've collected a lot but I fear only scratched the surface and am no where near ready to write the "Wheel Horse Encyclopedia", nor do I even think I ever will be, but, I do want to know more.  Assuming that I haven't just overlooked the "Encyclopedia of ALL that is Wheel Horse" and that I'm not the only one interested in how to tell just by looking what model and year all these wonderful machines are where do I go next?  I have:
AA Wheel Horse ID list 1955-84
WheelHorseAllYear
All the WH brochures I can find...
WH Attachment Interchange 1955-2000

I know there are folks that know far more about WHs than I ever will but I see only little tidbits for how to identify certain Wheel Horses here and there.  In depth, accurate, definitive, detailed info but only about specific models and years.  Nothing really covering all WHs.  I know it would be a huge undertaking to pool all that is known about WHs but it seems like there either must be something more out there that I've missed or we should try to pool what we can!  And I'm not really talking about ALL that is known, just ALL that is necessary to ID them!  Not fix, or what parts will interchange, just tell what they are.  Many are missing tags, lots covered in rust, partially hidden in the weeds, some in pieces and several built from pieces.  It would be so nice to drive past an old timer, turn back around and positively ID it without having to climb a fence and search for a tag, chase down the owner or post it online and hope someone how knows will see it and help.

Perhaps I've just overlooked something?  I hope so!  If not, perhaps we could take just a bite at a time approach.  Perhaps cover just the 1950s and save it in a file for all to review, correct, update and finally use. Then maybe tackle the 1960s...

What years/models:
had the gas fill hole offset from center?
used an aluminum tank mounted above the dash
had a straight bar axle?  Upward swept axles? High clearance, inverted "V" axle? 
cast iron grilles
round hoods
3 point hitches
electric powered
Clinton engines?  Kawasaki engines?  Renault engines?
Short frames, mid frames, long frames?

A lot of this could simply be added to the exist spreadsheet, in fact I've started already and added some info, but I'm missing most of the knowledge!  I know there's folks that can ID most but how can we share that knowledge better?  Thoughts?  Ideas?

Hoping that you will be a major contributor!

Thanks!
Dennis Thornton