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Coadster32

Steve, you have no real idea what you will be doing in there five years down the road. If it were me I would go for the 200 Amp as it won't cost that much more now.

 

You may be living in there at some point. :ychain:

 

This barn looks awesome, and so far have pulled out all the stops. :bow-blue:

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Geno

I figured a meter at the barn.  That way the electric company would be responsible for the rest.  :handgestures-thumbsup:

 

A meter at the barn could also provide some tax deductions for your not for profit  :wh:  business.  :laughing-rolling:

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Fun Engineer

That barn is looking great Steve.

I'll chime in on the electric service. I'd go as big as you can afford. We always wish we had a bigger more powerful ...

I have a 200 amp service to my house with attached three car garage. In my barn I installed a 100 amp service that is fed from my 200 amp house service. Most of my electrical needs are served at the house and attached garage. I have maxed out my 200 amp service at the house now. But I'm able to provide electric for a couple of 240 V electric heat panels in the attached garage shop, a 220, 50 amp welder and a 220, 40 amp air compressor. I have some space left in the barn for future needs but here's what I'm currently set up for out there.

Another 220, 50 amp welder.

240, 20 amp electric baseboard heat.

240, 30 amp forced air heat for the paint booth.

Three 20 amp plug circuits.

One 20 amp door opener circuit.

Two 15 amp light circuits.

One 15 amp plug circuits.

As you can see, you can use up space on a panel pretty fast.

Take your time, you only want to put in a service line once.

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timbotelho

100 amp will be plenty would never steer you wrong cuz

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stevebo

100 Amp it is then !! I trust my cuz !! 

 

I have NO plans on running electric heat, furnace etc out there. I bought a wood stove and the proper vent pipe. I put some $ into that set up but I have to tell you that after almost losing the "survivor" barn last winter to a wood stove fire I an not taking ANY short cuts on this install. 

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stevebo

To anyone interested in stopping by this Saturday feel free to come over. I have a small crew that I will be working with to install the standing seam metal roof panels with me. I will be assisting them as they have a pretty good grasp on what they are doing. I would also like to start installing some of the siding which is really not that hard to do but takes time. It will be a busy day especially for me being pulled in a few directions however if you want to come up please do so. I still have some gravel to move from the driveway back down to the barn which can be done with one or more of my machines. I will not be able to do much entertaining that day but will provide lunch and drinks...  :banana-tux:

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fireman

Steve i'll just through in my two cents about the electric. I understand that 100 amps is probably all you will ever need. You yourself said you weren't going to take any short cuts on the barn with the money your putting in it and the fact this is the last house your living in for a long time. With that said, I would have Tim do a cost analysts of the difference between the 100 and 200 amp services. If it's not crazy more money, I would go with the 200 amp just for possible future upgrades. If 5 years from now you do want to end up adding electric etc. you'll be glad you did.

 

Remember, when you have 100 amps thats it. Just like a car if the speed limit is 55 then in theory thats all that the car should be able to do. But they make them able to go faster for a reason. You don't want to run at that speed all the time because you'd be running the engine at 100% for extended periods which will end in premature failure. 

 

Probably not the best analogy as I know you won't be running everything all at once but I'm sure you get my drift. I'm not an electrician but been around the block if you know what I mean. If it was me, and I was putting the amount of money you are into that project, then an extra $1000-$2000 wouldn't stop me from going with the 200 amp service. 

 

But then again, I would have a huge compressor, Bridgeport milling machine, lathe, some type of heating system, welder etc. 

 

If you don't do it now and need it later you'll regret you didn't. If you do need a bigger service later on, what a nightmare it will be!

 

Again just my $0.02

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SALTYWRIGHT

JEFF IS 100% RIGHT. GET THE TWO PRICES AND THEN MAKE THE CHOICE. RUSS

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stevebo

Spoke with Tim on this. To add 200 amp I need to tap into the street power and add another line/meter over 300 ft to the back of the property to the barn. With a yard full of ledge and hills that is not something I am willing to do.Code states that I need to bury the line a min. of 18" down and if I cannot due to ledge then I need to mix concrete and bury the line that is less than 18" which could end up being most of the line.  If I require it in the future then I will do it then. This is a barn and not a machine shop :ychain:  I think that 100 amp will be more than enough. 

So.. who is coming over Saturday ?? :hide:

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bmsgaffer

Yea, you can solve most of these guy's problems by just getting a breaker box with a large number of circuits.

 

Your electrical guys would normally do a load analysis to make sure that the service works out, but for an out building this should be plenty.

 

Remember everyone, just because your main breaker says 100 amps doesnt mean that all the breakers in the box added together have to be under 100... You just have to analyze worst case scenarios of simultaneous usage (compressor filling + heat [which you wont have] + plasma cutter + lighting for example would probably still add up to less than 100A @ 220V assuming you arent running a crazy industrial sized compressor with an air drier.)

 

100 will be PLENTY.

 

And not me. I feel left out there are so many CT groupies... :hide:

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Ken B

Spoke with Tim on this. To add 200 amp I need to tap into the street power and add another line/meter over 300 ft to the back of the property to the barn. With a yard full of ledge and hills that is not something I am willing to do.Code states that I need to bury the line a min. of 18" down and if I cannot due to ledge then I need to mix concrete and bury the line that is less than 18" which could end up being most of the line.  If I require it in the future then I will do it then. This is a barn and not a machine shop :ychain:  I think that 100 amp will be more than enough. 

So.. who is coming over Saturday ?? :hide:

Well said Steve. I understand completely what you have been after since day one on this project, a rustic experience found only up on the Ponderosa. Once you open that door and walk in you will be reminded of how they built things waaaayyy back in the day. I have been with Steve on many flea market pics, you have no idea the lengths he has gone to keep the look inside this barn vintage. Anyone can go out and purchase new lighting but Steve wants that look. The vintage drop fixtures he bought are going to look incredible and will be the correct look for inside his barn. I was there when he purchased his fixtures.. New lighting would have been much cheaper (and brighter) but its the look this guy is after... Sure, modern heaters hanging from the ceiling blowing warm air around will keep the place nice and warm but they will cloud up the ambiance..

I know a thing or two about a thing or two when it comes to electricity.  I worked for my families electrical business for 6 yrs, we wired Steve's house well over twenty yrs. ago. In fact I believe our name is still on the electrical panel inside his house.. I named Steve's place the Ponderosa way back over 20 yrs. ago. I can remember I was roughing in the wiring with my brother's.  We sat down to have our lunch over looking the back yard on a couple of 5 gallon buckets. I can remember it being a gorgeous, peaceful day . We were enjoying the view of the rolling hills and a farmer cutting down the grass in one of the fields in the distance with an old Farmall Cub.. I told my brother's for some reason this place reminds me of the Ponderosa on the old TV show Bonanza. One laughed and one snickered but they both said, yeah it does...

Anywho, I can be there on Saturday. If Tim and Todd need a hand I can help there to. I have a few 12 ft Step ladders and a roll around Hi-Jacker lift at work that might come in handy??

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grnlark

It looks like a dead sub-topic at this point, but let me give my $0.02 anyways: zillions of ENTIRE households run on 100 amp. I upgraded to 200 amp service at the house and I ran a 100 amp panel to my new garage. I will never use the 100 amp panel to full capacity. I have 4 potential 220 draws, none of which will all be running simultaneously (compressor, hydraulic lift, outlet for welder and outlet for hanging heater). I have plenty of room still available for additional items in the panel too. You're not in an industrial zoned loation and you'll never be running a full business out of there. Even if you installed central air and had the compressor running at the same time, you'll still be fine. Before I upgraded the house to 200, there were times when I DID have the pool filter running, the clothes dryer, the central air and the air compressor all from the 100 amp service. Not ideal yes, but I never had any issues.

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stevebo

Ken-

Now I know where the name came from. You are right in the fact that I really want that old time feel. I could have stick built a barn this size and had it fully insulated and heated for less than I will have into it but like you said that is not hat I am looking for. I know my limitations on space as well. Once this is built I will be taking inventory on my collection of horses and outboards and if they don't fit and look right then they gotta go. I refuse to clutter up this space. 

My biggest concern is figuring out the proper storage (shelving etc) and still have it look correct. It is much more wide open than I first designed it but that is a good thing, 

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SALTYWRIGHT

STEVE AS OF NOW I CAN NOT MAKE IT ON SATURDAY. IF THINGS CHANGE I WILL BE THERE TO HELP OUT. RUSS

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bmsgaffer

Once this is built I will be taking inventory on my collection of horses and outboards and if they don't fit and look right then they gotta go. I refuse to clutter up this space.

 

Looking for WH donations down here in the midwest since we have a Geno-Wolf on the prowl! :ychain:

 

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AMC RULES

Might want to set a trap out for him.   :teasing-poke: 

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Geno

I might have to make a trip to Steve's, who else is near there.  :laughing-rolling:

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KyBlue

I might have to make a trip to Steve's, who else is near there.  :laughing-rolling:

 

Want to take the work truck??  Think of the hauling capacity...

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Ken B

I'm sure Steve will extend the olive branch to a few of us CT guys FIRST should anything go...You guys can have the left over's! :laughing-rolling:

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AMC RULES

Remember Steve...   :) 

some of us already have dibs. 

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nylyon

Man can I tow my Jeep there and we rip the motor apart, it's starting to get cold?  Nice work!

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Coadster32

Round hoods would look best in your rustic barn. All the 300s and 400s should go then?? :ychain:

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stevebo

Round hoods are going up on the tractor shelf and the bigger boys under.... The SR. will have a special place... :)

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SALTYWRIGHT

I WANT THE C-195. THAT IN NOT A ROUND HOOD AND IT WILL BE IN THE WAY.    RUSS

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stevebo

Progress !!!!! I was finally able to start the siding. Tomorrow is a BIG day as I have a small crew coming here by 7am to start setting up the staging and getting started on the roofing. I believe that Fireman, Timbo, KenB and a few other guys will come over and we can continue on the siding. Whoo Hoo!!

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