Stigian 1,234 #1 Posted June 21, 2014 Morning all, if you have been following my Project Zero-ish turn build then you will of read there has been a big change of plan for it... Well, here's the big change of plan Here's a clue.. Here's a bigger clue.. This should be a big enough clue for you Yep that's right this Raider 10 is being reborn as a fun machine. Powered by this water cooled, 48hp V twin and 5 speed box Yesterday was a long but good day as the Honda was slowly taken apart. Until the engine came out.. "Walking" it up this plank to get it onto the bench was fun! A good looking engine.. But... Will it fit in the Raider without having to chop bits of the hood out or stretch the chassis??? 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
19richie66 17,531 #2 Posted June 21, 2014 Chopping and stretching is half the fun. This should be neat! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,201 #3 Posted June 21, 2014 I've heard of thinking outside the box.... do you ever find yourself inside it at all? amazing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #4 Posted June 21, 2014 No words needed, the photo's say it all 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,201 #5 Posted June 21, 2014 is there going to be a single or dual prop on that flyer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jparkes43 329 #6 Posted June 21, 2014 Wow that us going to be fast!, good luck James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redrooster 83 #7 Posted June 21, 2014 Power to spare! What will the tractor be used for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadowfield 2,616 #8 Posted June 21, 2014 That's just going to be so awesome Ian :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 56,159 #9 Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) Do you plan to replace the Uni drive with an automotive rear end or use a gear reduction 90 degree box and belt drive? That would be a real test of engineering! Love it! Edited June 21, 2014 by 953 nut 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kudzu3 323 #10 Posted June 21, 2014 As we say here in Georgia, "somedody's fixin' to get hurt" 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #11 Posted June 22, 2014 Chopping and stretching is half the fun. This should be neat! Thanks Richie, I didn't want to chop the hood or stretch the chassis as I want to keep it looking as standard as possible (well apart from the engine) with the bounds of safety of course I've heard of thinking outside the box.... do you ever find yourself inside it at all? amazing! Inside the box?? I can't find it on any map I have is there going to be a single or dual prop on that flyer? No prop needed.. I've only fitted the Honda engine as a donkey engine to start the jet engine I'm going to strap under the seat Wow that us going to be fast!, good luck James Thanks James, yes it is going to be a bit fast but all out speed isn't the name of the game.. Having fun, smoking a few tires and a bit of sideways drifting action is Power to spare! What will the tractor be used for? It will be used for fun mostly, but if driven sensibly it should be able to handle a bit of trailer pulling work. As you say it will have power to spare That's just going to be so awesome Ian Thanks Mark Do you plan to replace the Uni drive with an automotive rear end or use a gear reduction 90 degree box and belt drive? That would be a real test of engineering! Love it! The plan is to use a 90 degree box and chain drive into a Uni drive rear end.. I have found (Thanks Chris) an 8 speed withh 1 1/8 inch axles and an 8 pinion diff to fit in place of the 4 speed.. It should be strong enough to handle the power.. As we say here in Georgia, "somedody's fixin' to get hurt" Not if I can help it I think the fear of doing serious damage to myself will stop me from driving it too stupidly As you would expect from me there will be plenty of videos along the way, infact here's the first one popping up now 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jparkes43 329 #12 Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) I'm keeping my eye firmly in this direction it's going to be insane, just need my dad to get me one of those for Juliette James Edited June 22, 2014 by Jparkes43 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brrly1 1,146 #13 Posted June 23, 2014 Can't wait, a water cooled Wheel Horse! Your creativity is top notch. Sure looks like a fun project. Keeping my eyes on this one. Good luck 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coadster32 793 #14 Posted June 23, 2014 Wowwie wow wow!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,201 #15 Posted June 23, 2014 I'd like to see the tracks from the 3rd gear burnout with the mower running. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
546cowboy 301 #16 Posted June 25, 2014 Excuse me if I'm wrong but weren't you just starting a zero turn project a short while ago? Did I miss that one somewhere? This is going to be something but I have seen other videos of these with even more horsepower in them. A few years ago there was a video on Youtube of a guy on his small block Chevy with a mowing deck actually mowing. It was a Wheel Horse too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #17 Posted June 27, 2014 I'm keeping my eye firmly in this direction it's going to be insane, just need my dad to get me one of those for Juliette James Thanks James, it's about to get a lot more insane Can't wait, a water cooled Wheel Horse! Your creativity is top notch. Sure looks like a fun project. Keeping my eyes on this one. Good luck Thanks John, it's certainly going to be a different build. Wowwie wow wow!! Couldn't of said it better myself I'd like to see the tracks from the 3rd gear burnout with the mower running. Burnouts you will see, but no mowing as the cutting deck won't be able to fit. Excuse me if I'm wrong but weren't you just starting a zero turn project a short while ago? Did I miss that one somewhere? This is going to be something but I have seen other videos of these with even more horsepower in them. A few years ago there was a video on Youtube of a guy on his small block Chevy with a mowing deck actually mowing. It was a Wheel Horse too. Your not wrong, this build used to be Project Zero-ish turn until I had a serious change of plan.. I have a Wh for grass cutting and the new engine/bike popped up just at the right time so I thought I'd do a fun build instead As much as I'd love a V8 Wheel Horse (Can't beat the sound of a V8 ) it's a little too much power for my needs, the Honda engine has enough power to have fun and that's what this build is about 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #18 Posted June 27, 2014 As if proof was need that I'm doing the right thing with this build, while sitting down with a coffee having a look at the beast from a different angle I noticed a couple of words on one of the front tire's. A close up for you After watching the mower racing on Sunday and seeing how low all the machine were I knew I had to lower "Why Not" a bit to help it stay on all four wheels. As I want to be able to use this machine for also pulling a trailer once in a while and go for the odd drive around the fields, I don't want to go too low, so out came the ruler.. The chassis will be chopped and dropped by 2 1/2 inches, making the chassis 4 1/2 inches off the ground, where the blue mark is on the ruler. The front will also get chopped and dropped just behind the front axle mounting. The body tub will also be chopped and dropped but only by 2 inches. The extra 1/2 inch space created should just be enough to fit a standard Raider fuel tank in it's original place under the hood The back of the body tub will also get a bit more trimming to get the seat as low as possible.. This big old lump is the Honda's final drive unit.. Which I had been thinking of using backwards to get the drive from the bike gearbox to the WH gearbox... Until another part arrived, freshly dug out from Nigel's parts store (thanks Nigel), and thank you to Garry for picking it up for me.. The part in question is this right angled drive thingy from a rotovator I wasn't sure what the gear ratio was as it needed a bit of freeing off, but I'm guessing at a 1 to 1 ratio or very close.. The prop shaft will come in very handy as it allows me to mount the drive thingy where I want and get the output drive lined up with the WH trans 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #19 Posted June 27, 2014 The angled drive thingy from Nigel (thanks mate) was cracked open to see what needed freeing up... Dry as a bone inside other than a quick squirt of WD40! So I filled it up with stuff that smelt like diesel, though it was a funny colour! An hour later it had freed up This is where I had a length problem! The angled drive is near as as I could wedge it in it's new position, and the prop shaft that slides onto the bike gearbox splines is full on!! Not enough space to cut and shut the shafts together! There is enough space to move the engine forward and tuck in the front of the hood, but.... The front axle would be in the way!! I don't want to lengthen the hood, but maybe I could move the front axle to in front of the hood to make the space!.. I'm feeling a bit unsteady today, so rather then start using tools that produce hot sparks I'd have a gentle potter in the shack and move a few bit's about on "Why Not" to create a bit more drive shaft space.. The front axle moved forward of the hood and the engine slid forward as much as it could. The engine will go even more forward once the front axle mount is out the way.. But it gave enough space to show the two prop shafts could be lined up and made into one.. While I had the Honda's final drive to hand I stuck it on the end of the drive shaft to have a look... It almost lines up with the Wh trans pulley But due to the final drives gearing it would give a very slow top speed... Oh, and a lot more reverse gears than forward 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #20 Posted June 27, 2014 And then Mark who has been kind enough and also has the maths brain power that I'm lacking came back with a few calculations for me! It's the final number that hit home!! That sort of top speed from a 48hp V twin would just be embarrassing, and could be got from a 10hp Kohler with a lot less work!! Looking at the final drive on the end of that shaft did get me thinking though.. If the final drive was bit further back to line up with the Wh trans axles then maybe it could be used to drive a cart axle!! Yes it's the same photo again So, off to the shed I trundled and grabbed the Honda's rear wheel to unbolt this bit.. It shouldn't be too hard to get a sprocket to fit that And that bit happens to slide onto the final drive Sooo, the new plan is to use the Honda's swing arm and final drive then take power back from there via chain and sprocket to a rather strong kart axle.. I can even use the Honda's rear brake which is more than up to the job and very easy to fit The new plan kinda moves this build up a few levels as it could be very easily geared to reach the bikes level of top speed or even more should the suicidal urge take me!! I'm happy to gear it for a bit less top speed but certainly more than 14.20422 MPH Oh, and while the front axle was off I lowered the front end quite a bit to see how it looked 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,300 #21 Posted June 27, 2014 Unreal engineering skills Stigian. I'm enjoying this build. Can't wait for the video of you driving it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,201 #22 Posted June 27, 2014 That final stance looks fast already! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoctorHfuhruhurr 137 #23 Posted June 27, 2014 I see a wheelie bar in your future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jparkes43 329 #24 Posted June 27, 2014 Wow wow wow James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SousaKerry 502 #25 Posted June 27, 2014 This is gonna be sweet... Too bad you had to loose the WH Tranny though I can understand. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
