Wheelhorse 314-8 Year Make Questions

[leeave96 487]

I can think of at least 4 variants of the 314-8

 

Toro Wheelhorse 314-8 with the later, larger Wheelhorse lettering and smaller Toro lettering on the hood and the Kohler Magnum engines.  I'm thinking those were made 1995, 1996 and 1997.

 

Pre 1995 Toro Wheelhorse 314-8 with the "classic" tag added to the lettering.  Anyone know the years those were made and if they had the 1-1/8" axles and 8 pinion rears or something else?  I see a fair amount of these for sale, but just don't know much about them.

 

Post 1997 Toro Wheelhorse (starting in 1998) with the Command engine.  Not sure how long those were made, before a 15 hp Command appeared, but am fairly sure they had the 1-1/8th inch axles and 8 pinion tranny.

 

I don't think (but don't know) if there was ever a 414-8 and a 314-8 made at the same time.  I can't say I've ever seen a 314-8 with factory Wheelhorse only lettering on the hood.  Lots of 414-8 and 312-8 tractors with that lettering.

 

I'm thinking the 314-8 tractors only came with the Magnum engines too up through 1997.

 

I'm also thinking the 314-H tractors were otherwise identical with respect to engine, axle and pinion configurations for a given model year as the 8 speed 314-8 tractors.

 

Could anyone share some detail as to the hood style lettering, axle and pinion configuration on the 314-8 models?

 

Thanks!

Bill

 

[Tim 97]

I have an 1985 314-8 with a k series motor

[slammer302 2,156]

I sold a 97 314-8 the decals on the side said toro it had all the warning light's on the dash and a hour meter kohler magnum

[MalMac 1,332]

My 94 314-8 has the large Wheel Horse and small Toro on the hood. Larger Axel's, 8 pinion, Mag engine. Hour and amp meter. Idiot lights, high back seat. 8" front wheels.

[wh5208speed 645]

1985 was with a K-321. I believe it came with a 1 and 1/8" axle, but with 4 pinion differential. (1st Photo)

1992-93 - Kohler  Magnum - White Letters with "Classic" 1 and 1/8" axle with 8 pinion differential

1994-95 - Kohler  Magnum - Silver Letters 1 and 1/8" axle with 8 pinion differential (2nd Photo)

1996-Gold Decal Letters Kohler Magnum 1 and 1/8" axle with 8 pinion differential (3rd Photo)

1997-Silver Decal letters Kohler Magnum 1 and 1/8" axle with 8 pinion differential

1998-2001 Came with a Kohler Command OHV engine 1 and 1/8" axle with 8 pinion differential (4th Photo)

 

Thad (Ohio)

[wh5208speed 645]

more photos

[papaglide 542]

I have a 1998 and I was checking toro parts viewer and the diagram showed a 4 pinion rear end. No idea what the diameter of the axle is though.

[leeave96 487]

1985 was with a K-321. I believe it came with a 1 and 1/8" axle, but with 4 pinion differential. (1st Photo)

1992-93 - Kohler  Magnum - White Letters with "Classic" 1 and 1/8" axle with 8 pinion differential

1994-95 - Kohler  Magnum - Silver Letters 1 and 1/8" axle with 8 pinion differential (2nd Photo)

1996-Gold Decal Letters Kohler Magnum 1 and 1/8" axle with 8 pinion differential (3rd Photo)

1997-Silver Decal letters Kohler Magnum 1 and 1/8" axle with 8 pinion differential

1998-2001 Came with a Kohler Command OHV engine 1 and 1/8" axle with 8 pinion differential (4th Photo)

 

Thad (Ohio)

Thad,

Very good info! I was looking at the parts lists on partstree.com last night at the pinion/axle breakdown and then checking that against the toro master parts viewer. The toro viewer shows qtys and on the later model tractors, the parts tree parts list mentions 8 pinion in their tranny description, but shows an illustration with 4 pinions which is incorrect IMHO.

For whatever reason, I had always assumed the 314-8 tractors had the 1-1/8 inch axles and 8 pinion tranny. I did NOT know that there was a 1985 year make 314-8, learn something new every day! Sometime later, maybe reading on this forum or somewhere else, I was thinking that some 314-8 tractors had 4 pinion and 1 inch axles. I see these tractors come up for sale from time to time and wanted to know the dividing line.

I think I can safely say that ANY 314-8 with a Toro logo on it will have an 8 pinion tranny and 1-1/8 inch axles.

Again, very good info. At some point, I might try to make-up a list of the year/pinion/axle configurations of the gear drive 312-8, 310-8 and 308-8 tractors. I think it's safe to say that all 414-8, 416-8 tractors and all 520-8 models had the 8 pinion and 1-1/8 inch axle configurations.

Thanks again for everyone's input - great info!

Bill

[Racinbob 11,376]

That list would be interesting Bill. The 300 and 400 series seem a bit confusing. My 2005 Classic GT doesn't have a series number on it but the sales brochure says 300 series. It has the 1 1/8" axles, 8 pinions and 8" fronts.

Edited June 12, 2014 by Racinbob

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,148]

When the parts lists started to disappear at Toro I tried to list all the transmissions here in the Red Square library.

Go into the manuals and do a search for

forward speeds

That should bring them all up but first change the "Submission Date" to "Title" and then change the "Descending" order to "Ascending" order.

 

The tractor model numbers are listed with each file. Hope I have them correct. This list is why when you enter a tractor model name or model number in a search the transmission file will also come up. You don't have to download the file - just click on the page you are interested in.

 

Used "forward speeds" so the 3-speeds, 4-speeds, 6-speeds and 8-speeds stay together.

 

Garry

[leeave96 487]

When the parts lists started to disappear at Toro I tried to list all the transmissions here in the Red Square library.

Go into the manuals and do a search for

forward speeds

That should bring them all up but first change the "Submission Date" to "Title" and then change the "Descending" order to "Ascending" order.

 

The tractor model numbers are listed with each file. Hope I have them correct. This list is why when you enter a tractor model name or model number in a search the transmission file will also come up. You don't have to download the file - just click on the page you are interested in.

 

Used "forward speeds" so the 3-speeds, 4-speeds, 6-speeds and 8-speeds stay together.

 

Garry

 

Garry,

 

Terrific work!  Thanks for explaining how to search it too.

 

Bill

[papaglide 542]

So my 1998 has the 8 pinion tranny and 1 and 1/8 axles? The parts viewer is confusing.

[leeave96 487]

So my 1998 has the 8 pinion tranny and 1 and 1/8 axles? The parts viewer is confusing.

Yes and you can double check that via the Toro master parts viewer looking at the qty of parts shown, which is 8 pinions. The Partstree.com website even says 8 pinion on some of the tranny descriptions and I think yours is one of them. The axle part number for all of the Toro badged 314-8 tractors is 1-1/8 inches.

[wh5208speed 645]

So my 1998 has the 8 pinion tranny and 1 and 1/8 axles? The parts viewer is confusing.

All 314-8's (except for 1985 model) and 315-8's came with the 1 and 1/8" axles and 8 pinion differentials

 

Thad

[wh5208speed 645]

That list would be interesting Bill. The 300 and 400 series seem a bit confusing. My 2005 Classic GT doesn't have a series number on it but the sales brochure says 300 series. It has the 1 1/2" axles, 8 pinions and 8" fronts.

It must be a misprint because they never had a classic sytle wheel horse with an axle sizes that were either 1" or 1 and 1/8". I have a dealers manual I would upload a photo of the page with details, but according to redsquare, I have exceeded my allotted disk space for attachments

 

 

Thad

[papaglide 542]

Thanks for clarifying things guys!

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,148]

All 314-8's (except for 1985 model) and 315-8's came with the 1 and 1/8" axles and 8 pinion differentials

 

Thad

I see I missed the 1985 314-8. The Toro parts lists don't even show the 8-speed. Auto only. 

 

What transmission did they use? 

Axle diameter?

How many pinions?

 

Garry

[Racinbob 11,376]

It must be a misprint because they never had a classic sytle wheel horse with an axle sizes that were either 1" or 1 and 1/8". I have a dealers manual I would upload a photo of the page with details, but according to redsquare, I have exceeded my allotted disk space for attachments

 

 

Thad

The misprint is that I wrote 1 1/2" axles Now wouldn't that be a beefy axle?

[wh5208speed 645]

I see I missed the 1985 314-8. The Toro parts lists don't even show the 8-speed. Auto only. 

 

What transmission did they use? 

Axle diameter?

How many pinions?

 

Garry

Garry,

 

They used the Uni-Drive transmission with 1 and 1/8" axle and 4 pinion differential.

 

Thad

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,148]

Garry,

 

They used the Uni-Drive transmission with 1 and 1/8" axle and 4 pinion differential.

 

Thad

I'm wondering now if there are more mistakes.

The only 1-1/8" axle with 4 pinions I see show up for

1993-1996 in transmission model 92-8707 and

1997-2001 in transmission model 94-6670

 

Before this was

model 110996 with 1" axles and 4 pinions used 1985-1993

model 110995 with 1-1/8" axles and 8 pinions used 1985-1993

 

Garry

[Racinbob 11,376]

Why am I getting dizzy?

[leeave96 487]

Here's what I found looking at both Toro master parts viewer and Partstree:

 

Year    Tractor model

1985    27-14K801

1993    73400

1994    73400

1995    73400

1996    73402*

1997    73402

 

All of these models had the 1-1/8 inch axles.  The 1985 year model had 4 pinions and there was apparently another variant of the 314-8 in 1996 that had 4 pinions in the tranny.  The 73402 built in 1996 and 1997 have the 8 pinion and my 314-8 is a model 73402 and a 1997 model.

 

I stopped at 1998 and above as (for me) my interest is in a 314-8 with the single cylinder Kohler in it.

 

I also want to say to everyone that I really feel the 4 pinion trannys, based off what I've read here, are very stout trannys.  It sounds like if you are going to break a Wheelhorse tranny, it's more likely to be the 10 pinion version.

 

My interest in the 8 pinion and 1-1/8 axles is just a personal preference (for now), but I wouldn't hesitate to have a 4 pinion tranny or one with 1 inch axles either.

 

With the Wheelhorse tractors, they're all GOOOOOOOODDDDDD!!!!!!!!

 

 

[Tim 97]

85 314-8 is a 21-14K801 not a 27-14K801

 

the axles are 1". I measured it.  well at least the left side one is. 

[leeave96 487]

85 314-8 is a 21-14K801 not a 27-14K801

 

the axles are 1". I measured it.  well at least the left side one is. 

Typo on my part on the model no. 1" axle makes sense as the part number for it appears to be 15961? Whereas the 1-1/8" axle is p/n 105875.

[Wheel-N-It 2,969]

Bill, even though this thread is about the 8 speeds you did mention the hydro tractors. Here is my hydro with the 14hp Magnum Kohler. Also pic of the rear so you can see the axles. I do not know anything of the pinions inside.