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I purchased 1974 C-160 8-speed for $175 last year that didn't move due to a broken drive belt. It had a an electric clutch switch on it and the guy selling it gave me the electric clutch and told me the PO took it off and converted it to manual for some reason. He was a Cub Cadet guy and didnt know anything about Horses. I took it and tested it and it works just fine. My question is how do I convert it back to electric clutch? My understanding is it was done quite frequently by dealers as the electric clutch was a dealer installed option as well as a a factory one. To my eye it looks like it should be a different crank end dut to the differences. Did the original owner put a different engine on it and thats why it has a manual PTO now? I have just about completed rebuilding the 42" RD deck I have for it so its ready and Id like to get the 160 in order for mowing season which should be here in a week or so. Let me know how I get this manual clutch off and putting the electric on seems to be pretty straight forward. If I have questions once I get there I know where to come for answers. Thank in advance for all the help guys....

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pfrederi

I put an electric clutch on my C-175 without any issues.  The end of the crankshaft should have a tapped hole in it.  Bolt in that holds the clutch on.  There is one bracket that bolts to the engine bearing plate. I am looking for a service manual covering electric PTO. 

 

If your crank has no hole SB#126 tells how to drill and tap the crank.

 

 

Manuals are on page 6 of the wheelhorse manuals in the manual section here

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pfrederi

Went out and looked at 2 electric PTO I have.  There are two different designs.  On one version the keyway comes all the way out front of the PTO It is threaded (interrupted by the keyway) for a 1" bolt.  The other design the keyway ends where the crankshaftt would end and the hole is treaded for 5/8"/11 uninterrupted thread.  In both instances these threads are not for holding the PTO on they are use to push it off the Crankshaft...you do not use a puller on the electric PTO.  I can take pics if you need them.

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daveoman1966

Here are the two styles of Electric PTO.   

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Hodge71

Went out and looked at 2 electric PTO I have.  There are two different designs.  On one version the keyway comes all the way out front of the PTO It is threaded (interrupted by the keyway) for a 1" bolt.  The other design the keyway ends where the crankshaftt would end and the hole is treaded for 5/8"/11 uninterrupted thread.  In both instances these threads are not for holding the PTO on they are use to push it off the Crankshaft...you do not use a puller on the electric PTO.  I can take pics if you need them.

 

Well Paul according to your description and Daves pic I have the post 1973 style...actually I have 3 of them...lol.... And coincidently the post 1973 version is installed on my 1971 Charger 12 and its definitely been on there since Moses was a baby..... probably since new. I guess once the rain showers here cease I will commence to getting the old manual PTO bell off...however that happens

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pfrederi

The bell slides right off the friction disk is held by 4   1/4inch screws.then it and teh bearing sleeve pull off.  you will also have to remove the PTO hoop and the actuating lever and rod....I am not sure how  you bypass the PTO safety switch (or even if there is one in place on you machine )

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Hodge71

There isn't one Paul because it was  originally and electric clutch machine

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Don1977

Why do you want to change back to an electric clutch?

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Hodge71

Why do you want to change back to an electric clutch?

 

Because it has the switch and wiring for it, the electric clutch he gave me is fine and honestly I hate that  silly hoop/handle arrangement. To me its like t-ts in a bull.....Plus the electric clutch needs less maintenance and grips better as far as I'm concerned plus it puts much less stress on the crank bearing by eliminating the side loading. Wheel Horse engineers really knew what they were doing with them....

oh and its my tractor and thats what I want on it...

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Anyone know what the thread pitch is on the crank bolt? I am just about ready to finish her up and mow the grass. I slid the clutch ass'y on the crank tonight and noticed the threads inside the crank appear to be fine thread. Its definitely not the 3/8"-16 that SB 126 tells you to tap it for... The bolt I have has a 5/8' head and its coarse thread. I would like to finish up and run it tomorrow after work

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oldredrider

I "think" it's 7/16 x 20 bolt.

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js5020

Coarse thread with a 5/8 head is likely to be 7/16-14.

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Hodge71

I "think" it's 7/16 x 20 bolt.

 

You are correct Sir!!! its 7/16-20 fine thread

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carlsbarn2

Does electric really hold more than manual ?

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Hodge71

I would say it does. My Dad has had an electric clutch on his 12 Automatic since new in 73 and it has never been adjusted, tweaked, replaced or anything else and it never slipped yet. For 35 of those years it ran a tiller and also the 42" deck with Lawn Vacuum and that was really a load and a half with tall thick grass. My parents have always had a Chem-Lawn fertilizing.  I will say that if you don't have a good charging stem the electric will draw your battery down and eventually drop out

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pfrederi

I would say it does. My Dad has had an electric clutch on his 12 Automatic since new in 73 and it has never been adjusted, tweaked, replaced or anything else and it never slipped yet. For 35 of those years it ran a tiller and also the 42" deck with Lawn Vacuum and that was really a load and a half with tall thick grass. My parents have always had a Chem-Lawn fertilizing.  I will say that if you don't have a good charging stem the electric will draw your battery down and eventually drop out

 

 

What Hodge said!!  Electric clutches are self adjusting.  They also engage quickly avoiding wear and do not slip while the operator neglects to adjust it properly like the manual PTOs.  I  suppose they work well right up to the day the friction surface is gone...hasn't happened to mine yet!!

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