zieg72 209 #1 Posted January 5, 2014 Thinking stage so bare with me... I am just getting a plan B or plan C together. Some history is I have a 414-8 that the lift adjustment is broken, the lift doesn't want to stay up with the weight of a snow plow and this problem started out being a sticking button. Since it looks like I have to tear into it I thought hey... I have a 520H parts tractor with a perfectly good lift cylinder on it. My 269H had an electric/hydraulic lift, anyone have any thoughts if one from a 269H would power a lift cylinder from a 520H? I never had any cause to see the lift operation of the 269H so I have no idea as to the working knowledge of it. Anyone try any other means? Another avenue would to harvest an electric lift from a 417-8. Looking for ideas, Thanks in advance... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tim 97 #2 Posted January 5, 2014 I have used an electric lift once. it was really slow compared to hydro. I would not opt for that option if I were you, I would be looking for a hydro model Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TravelinJavelin 620 #3 Posted January 5, 2014 ok dumb question here but can you put on a hydraulic lift kit if your tranny is 8spd? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forest Road 594 #4 Posted January 5, 2014 I love an 8 speed tractor! I liked the height control knob especially when grading our driveway. Well my 8 speeds are gone and I do everything with a 314h. Oh how I love the hydraulic lift! I love it's ease of use and once warm it's speed. You really can't beat it! If the 520h is usable I'd drop a kohler on I and go. Personally trying to retrofit a hydraulic cylinder on an 8 speed could get complicated and expensive. But it would be pretty cool! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zieg72 209 #5 Posted January 5, 2014 ok dumb question here but can you put on a hydraulic lift kit if your tranny is 8spd? No dumb questions here. Hydraulic lifts require hydraulics of some kind not found on an 8 speed. I can't imagine it would take much of a hydraulic pump to power that little lift cylinder but I could be wrong. Hopefully someone on here has gone that direction, maybe a belt driven pump mounted on the rear of the engine by the battery that you would have to have the PTO engaged to use??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,131 #6 Posted January 5, 2014 Run an automotive power steering pump w/integral reservoir off the PTO just like a loader pump. Use the control valve, cylinder, and lift shaft from the 520. You would only need to have two custom hoses made (between the pump and the control valve) and build a bracket to mount the pump. No - I haven't actually done it, but I can't see why it would be that tough. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zieg72 209 #7 Posted January 5, 2014 Run an automotive power steering pump w/integral reservoir off the PTO just like a loader pump. Use the control valve, cylinder, and lift shaft from the 520. You would only need to have two custom hoses made (between the pump and the control valve) and build a bracket to mount the pump. No - I haven't actually done it, but I can't see why it would be that tough. Power steering pumps I have... Thanks for the great idea!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
can whlvr 993 #8 Posted January 7, 2014 hope you work it out and then post it for us,after 14 hours of snow throwing this week end hydro lift add on would be a nice option Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorts 182 #9 Posted January 9, 2014 check the rotation of the pump and engine, the pumps mount to the front of most engines and the WH PTO is the back of the engine, opposite rotation when facing the front and back of the engine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,131 #10 Posted January 9, 2014 check the rotation of the pump and engine, the pumps mount to the front of most engines and the WH PTO is the back of the engine, opposite rotation when facing the front and back of the engine Run an automotive power steering pump w/integral reservoir off the PTO just like a loader pump. I guess I should have been more specific. Loader pumps are "flipped" to the outside so they have proper rotation: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 617 #11 Posted January 9, 2014 The manual lift on the 414-8 should not be that complicated and working with a parts diagram you may be able to get it working properly. When I have run into that kind of a problem a little monkeying with it along with some lubrication has taken care of it. If the 520H is not 88 or 89, then it will have the swept front axle so if you put a motor in it you will also need the extension kit for the plow to extend the blade out to clear the front wheels when you angle it. The hydraulic lift on the 520H is really nice. If your 520H is 88 or 89 then you can use the same plow and it has the single stick motion control which is great for plowing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorekiwi 761 #12 Posted January 10, 2014 I think I am the only one in the world that dislikes hydraulic lifts! I admit that I didn't like the effort required to lift the snow blower with a manual lift, but the addition of the factory spring assist solved that problem to an acceptable level. When hooking up a mower deck or a snow blade, I really dislike having to do it with the motor 3 inches from my ear, and I hate putting my fingers in there to hook up the lift linkage while "jogging" the lift lever to make things line up. My 518 came with an electric lift kit that I thought worked well. I could hook up attachments without the motor running, and the movement of the lift arm is instant and predictable unlike the hydraulic lifts. Some people complain that the electric lift is slow, It really doesn't bother me if it takes 2 seconds to raise the mower deck when I go to cross my creek. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leeave96 487 #13 Posted January 10, 2014 I think I am the only one in the world that dislikes hydraulic lifts! I admit that I didn't like the effort required to lift the snow blower with a manual lift, but the addition of the factory spring assist solved that problem to an acceptable level. When hooking up a mower deck or a snow blade, I really dislike having to do it with the motor 3 inches from my ear, and I hate putting my fingers in there to hook up the lift linkage while "jogging" the lift lever to make things line up. My 518 came with an electric lift kit that I thought worked well. I could hook up attachments without the motor running, and the movement of the lift arm is instant and predictable unlike the hydraulic lifts. Some people complain that the electric lift is slow, It really doesn't bother me if it takes 2 seconds to raise the mower deck when I go to cross my creek. Good points on the electric lift. I use to not care for hydro lift for similar reasons, but the older I get, the more I like the hydro lift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,016 #14 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) One note on a p/s pump. I knew a guy who used on of those little pumps found on cars like a Chevy Caviler. He put it on a JD. Not sure what size cylinder he used but when he raised the plow, it shot up so fast when the cyls. hit the stops the front wheels came off the ground! Edited January 10, 2014 by squonk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,131 #15 Posted January 12, 2014 I was thinking more along the lines of a 60's/70's Ford pump used with power assist steering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
