Martin 2,132 #151 Posted January 31, 2014 just got dizzy from reading 1533 posts and thought id update a little. can't work on the trans yet, still waiting on a j1816 axle bearing. mocked up the steering tonight with an extra 6472 flange bearing placed on the upper hood stand right where these tractors have an issue with loose support. i have seen other methods of retention here, but decided this was a compact way of tightening up the upper steering shaft. steering still needs adjusting but i can already feel that everything is nice and smooth, and tight. new lower bearing, nice tight gears and fit on lower part of shaft in steering bracket. heres some pics of the flanged bearing and steering. i included the red stool in this pic, just to show its getting used...... 7 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishroe 261 #152 Posted January 31, 2014 Man you have field dressed that thing. Nice looking work. 🚜🚜ðŸ‡ðŸ‡ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dclarke 4,033 #153 Posted January 31, 2014 Nice work Martin.......As usual. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Buck 246 #155 Posted January 31, 2014 I like those front tires, they still have an ag look to them, just looks more like the ribs you would find on much bigger later model tractors. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chazm 413 #156 Posted January 31, 2014 Nice work Martin ... but man, all those nuts,bolts & hardware you have laying beside the tractor... I would have had them kick all across the shop by now Ask me how I know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,132 #157 Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) thanks for all the comments guys. got a little shopping done today, picked up the axle bearing and all the seals for the 8 speed, so that can now go together. also got an order of toro parts and some john deere stuff (don't shoot me) for the steering arms. the deere stuff goes along with the front axle assembly, so rather than use aftermarket stuff i just went with the jd tie-rod ends for the steering arms. not sure how many of you noticed that the front end is all john deere. axle is 317, wheels and steering arms/spindles are 300....... i used the jd front assembly as it comes with 1" spindles and the steering arms are 1/2". also has a mild sweep forward. Edited January 31, 2014 by Martin 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 37,134 #158 Posted January 31, 2014 Killed a deere to save a horse. That's just...awesome! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowtiebutler956 650 #159 Posted January 31, 2014 Very nice work Martin, and I sure like the look of all those fresh powdered parts! You won't get any gripes from me on the JD parts, as using OE JD parts is far better than aftermarket! Matt 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,132 #160 Posted February 1, 2014 just for those that are wondering what differences there are between the jd 317 front axle and standard wh 416 heres a few pics i took earlier while working out what needed to be changed to use it...... 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowtiebutler956 650 #161 Posted February 1, 2014 Thanks Martin, thats very good information to know, as I wouldn't mind putting a wider swept front on one of my :wh:'s. Matt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,132 #162 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) im not familiar with how much sweep the 520 axle has, this one only gives about an inch. this is about 3" or so wider, i figured outside to outside wheels are 39" so if you want the rears the same width or more than the front, 12 x 8.5" (520, gt1848) wheels are mandatory on the rear. height (or drop) of axle isn't as much as wheel horse oem. the jd axle is flatter from end to end, but my tires are about .5" taller than the average 16 x 6.50-8 turf so frame height is roughly the same as before. Edited February 1, 2014 by Martin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leeave96 487 #163 Posted February 1, 2014 Seems like I read several years ago of someone using a Deere front axle in a Wheelhorse with successful results. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,132 #164 Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) spent a relaxing afternoon putting together the 8 speed. i think these transmissions are my favorite mechanical item on these tractors to rebuild. simple and compact, i like doing them much more than any engine. this is my second unidrive, first was the 3 speed in the 1057. the 8 speed really isn't any more difficult, just a few extra pieces inside.... i used the manual and followed along step by step with assembly. when i stripped it down the manual was used as well...... before starting on putting it back together, all burrs from gears were removed, all shafts polished and everything was cleaned in diesel. heres some pics of the assembly and finally bolted to the frame. i guess i need to go spend some money on some tires now for the 12 x 8.5 rims, then the 416-8 will be on all fours for the first time...... axle bearing and seals going in. i ended up putting two 11050 seals back in, much the same as was previously except the oem seals were plastic and the 11050 seals are steel. the seals are approx 0.120 wide so i sunk the inner seal to approx 0.200 so that the lip of the outer seal wouldn't interfere with the inner seal body once the axle was inserted in it and pushed it open more. both seals in place...... input shaft was used to push in input seal. I've found sometimes these smaller seals are hard to get started properly, it helps to also file any lip off the leading edge of the steel part of the seal and also make sure the bore in which its going is burr free. the input shaft helps to get it started right and even and push the seal home flush. seals all in the right hand side of case (smaller half) ready to be flipped over and build the internal part of the trans.... trans all ready to be sealed up, gears and shafts all installed and all positions tested to make sure its going to be a successful rebuild. notice the stool is being used again, Steve..... left hand side on and ready to be bolted down. i couldn't find a torque setting for the case bolts in the manual, so i used the case bolt torque from the eaton 1100 manual, basically the same castings. that was 30-35 ft lbs.... transmission finally bolted up to frame....... all in all was a most enjoyable afternoon!!!! Edited February 2, 2014 by Martin 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 37,134 #165 Posted February 2, 2014 Very productive too. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ol550 830 #166 Posted February 2, 2014 Has Jeanine seen what you have done to her favorite rug? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3Six 30 #167 Posted February 2, 2014 Beautiful work! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowtiebutler956 650 #168 Posted February 2, 2014 I know I've said this before, but you have an awesome eye for detail, and you set the bar high for quality work standards. I'm quite certain that no 8 speed ever left Wheel Horse looking that good! This really is going to be a beautiful machine. Matt 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick 235 #169 Posted February 2, 2014 Excellent !!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,132 #170 Posted February 5, 2014 got home today and these were in the driveway......... hmmmm...... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom. 70 #171 Posted February 5, 2014 It's looking great Martin! Thank you for all the information on the transmission, I'm tempted to split mine and check it all over before I paint it. Good luck with the rest of it! Tom 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,132 #172 Posted February 5, 2014 thanks Tom..... well just got them mounted on the rims, wow, that was the easiest rears I've ever mounted by hand. done a few now so i got it down fairly well, but these were 10 min each....... gotta go and plow with 416 #1 right now so now more work on #3 tonight.......... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Kuhn 1,556 #173 Posted February 5, 2014 Looking very nice Martin! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vinylguy 4,674 #174 Posted February 5, 2014 The ATV tires look very cool!! 416-AT8 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,132 #175 Posted February 7, 2014 got some more time on #3 tonight. I'm waiting on a bunch of fasteners from the platers so most of the assembly has to wait until next week. some pieces can be put on with temp bolts etc. i had to pull the steering to get some small pieces plated so that had to come off again. got the rear hubs painted and put them and the wheels on. the tank sheetmetal/fender support looked a little tweaked so i mounted that up and had to bend and shape a little to get it to sit right on the transmission. the main piece always seems to be bent out of shape on the bottom where it bolts to the trans and the flat part of the trans isn't really dead flat. so you end up with a situation where the bolts are holding it down in the center, but the ends have a gap under them allowing sideways movement of the seat pan/fender when driver weight moves from side to side. the piece really needs a slight concave and when the bolts are tightened down it pulls it tight to the top of the transmission. eventually i got it sitting right and didn't even mess up the paint with c clamp 'persuasion'......... gotta love powder coat. finally its on four legs...... the dogs seem to like how its turning out....... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
