VinsRJ 723 #1 Posted July 16, 2013 Was looking around for Non-Ethanol fuels and remember someone saying here on RS that Lowes has the Non-E fuel. So I went over to Lowes and located the fuel. The can looks nice... its $5.50+... but has anyone used this stuff? Did you find that the motor ran different? Did you need to re-tune the carb? The price vs. quantity (small can) is not an issue for me... my thought process is to run this stuff in my RJ's during show time and maybe an occassional spin around the house or block. I may use one can all season. Thanks for your thoughts... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 617 #2 Posted July 16, 2013 Some STIHL power equipment dealers carry a similar product with oil for 2 cycle engines. Luckily I am able to buy 91 Octane non ethanol fuel and that is what I use. No change to carburetor settings was required when I switched. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lane Ranger 11,125 #3 Posted July 16, 2013 Thanks for posting this VINSRJ. I think I am going to try this stuff out after reading more about it on their website: FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS When you have a revolutionary new product like TruFuel, people will always want to know more. Here are the questions we get asked the most. Q: Is there anything special I need to do before I use TruFuel? A: We recommend that you drain your equipment of any old, unused fuel, then simply open TruFuel and pour it directly into your 2-cycle equipment. Q: Will TruFuel affect the manufacturer’s warranty of my power equipment? A: Absolutely not. Just be certain that you use the manufacturer’s suggested ratio for your equipment. Q: Does TruFuel go stale like the gas I currently have stored in my garage? A: No. special packaging technology is used to ensure TruFuel's freshness. Also, TruFuel is packaged in a sealed container which ensures high performance for a minimum of 2 years from the time you open the can. Q: What types of 2-cycle equipment will TruFuel work in? A: TruFuel can be used in all air-cooled, 2-cycle equipment. Leaf blowers, line trimmers and chainsaws are the most common, but snow-blowers, small generators and air-cooled outboard engines will also benefit from the superior performance and protection of TruFuel. Q: Can I recycle TruFuel containers after I have used them? A: Yes. Please completely empty the container and then recycle them the same as you would any other steel can. Q: TruFuel is a great idea, why hasn't this been done before? A: Conventional gasoline from the gas station is not well suited for storage in sealed containers. TruFuel's patent pending formulation allows us to safely package gas & oil in a non-vented container. Q: Can I use TruFuel in my car? A: No. We don’t recommend it. Q: Which TruFuel mix is right for my equipment? A: Click here for a link to a manufacturers list. Q: Where can I buy TruFuel? A: Please check our How to Buy section for a dealer near you. TruFuel is also available at Walmart, Ace Hardware, True Value, Lowe's, Menards, O'Reilly Auto Parts, and The Home Depot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pacer 3,175 #4 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I hadnt had a problem with the larger equip -- riding mowers - my problem was small equip, chain saw, weed whacker, blower, etc with the occasional hardening/crumbling of fuel lines but the BIG prob was starting them - could throw an arm out of socket trying to start on ethanol fuel. With the Trufuel, the start prob was virtually gone, and while I didnt really notice any performance improvement, I did also get better idling. Trufuel is rather pricey so I was on the lookout for some local non-ethanol fuel out of the pump, and back in the spring I found a local station the had premium non ethanol fuel and I have switched over to using it - and I use it in ALL equip. Here again, I dont really notice any increased performance, but just a smoother? running, easier starting and smoother idling. Definitely enough improvement to agreeably pay the difference in cost on it... Edited July 16, 2013 by pacer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forest Road 594 #5 Posted July 16, 2013 I haven't had a problem with my tractors, mowers, generator, etc when using ethanol fuel. I have had problems with 2 cycle equipment. I started using Truefuel, stihl, VP fuels at the vacation house. I typically only need a very small amount of fuel for a saw or string trimmer. So keeping these types of fuels on hand saves me time and money. As opposed to running out for a gallon of high octane gas. I store about 10 gallons of super for the tractors and generator with fuel stabilizers. I recently located non-ethanol fuel within minutes of the vacation house. It's about $1- $1.25 more per gallon for 91 oct. I will start using it for two reasons. 1 - although I haven't had any problems with ethanol fuel in larger equipment I do like to limit my risks. 2 - I use approx 20 - 30 gallons for all my equipment annually. So it's not a huge expense to buy the non-ethanol fuel vs regular fuel I will continue to use premixed fuels for 2 stroke equipment. If you're dead set on purchasing non-ethanol fuels for your horses look into VP fuel. They have a wide variety of race blended non-ethanol fuels. It's not advisable to use anything higher than 92 octane in typical 4 stroke or 2 stroke equipment. http://www.vpracingfuels.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 42,534 #6 Posted July 16, 2013 I run the Lowes 4 cycle 92 in my pusher and 704 at shows. I run the VP 94 2cycle 50:1 fuel from my OPE dealer in my tiller, Sthil hedge trimmer and rompin stompin anchient Toro Sno-Pup snow blower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shallowwatersailor 3,214 #7 Posted July 16, 2013 I use 93 octane with a Stabil Marine Ethanol treatment and a small amount of Marvel Mystery Oil for my tractors, trim mower, pressure washer, and splitter. I haven't had any issues. On a whim this year, I bought the Tru Fuel 50:1 for my hand held equipment and now on my third can. All are Stihl products but I have had to re-tune my line trimmer because it wouldn't idle on the Tru Fuel. The leaf blower and chainsaws run fine. Just to be sure that it is a 50:1 ratio from the can, I also add a few extra drops of two cycle oil for extra lubrication. I'm surprised that Tru Fuel doesn't tint the fuel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forest Road 594 #8 Posted July 16, 2013 I use 93 octane with a Stabil Marine Ethanol treatment and a small amount of Marvel Mystery Oil for my tractors, trim mower, pressure washer, and splitter. I haven't had any issues. On a whim this year, I bought the Tru Fuel 50:1 for my hand held equipment and now on my third can. All are Stihl products but I have had to re-tune my line trimmer because it wouldn't idle on the Tru Fuel. The leaf blower and chainsaws run fine. Just to be sure that it is a 50:1 ratio from the can, I also add a few extra drops of two cycle oil for extra lubrication. I'm surprised that Tru Fuel doesn't tint the fuel. I wouldn't advise adding oil to premixed fuel. I've always been a proponent of using one oil type and sticking with it. By adding oil to a premixes fuel you're mixing two different oils which can, in rare cases, have ill effects. I've seen this first hand in snow mobiles and ATVs. Quite frankly if you doubt the label you shouldn't be using the product. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buckrancher 2,694 #9 Posted July 16, 2013 Vince Do you have a Fast track gas station near you they sell non ethanol premeum gas here in NY Brian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Kuhn 1,579 #10 Posted July 16, 2013 We have a station near us that sells non ethanol fuel. I believe it is only about a dollar more than premium. It has been worth it so far this year. We run it in all the garden tractors and mowers we use at the farm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VinsRJ 723 #11 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Vince Do you have a Fast track gas station near you they sell non ethanol premeum gas here in NY Brian I just looked up the nearest location... looks to be not that far from me. **** On a side note I Googled this stuff also and overall it looks as if this stuff works fairly well and responces are generally positive... I may give it a whirl. Edited July 16, 2013 by VinsRJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,203 #12 Posted July 16, 2013 Even if you don't use it on a regular basis during normal usage, it would seem to be wise to use before storing a machine... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 22,081 #13 Posted July 16, 2013 Vince Do you have a Fast track gas station near you they sell non ethanol premeum gas here in NY Brian I just looked up the nearest location... looks to be not that far from me. **** On a side note I Googled this stuff also and overall it looks as if this stuff works fairly well and responces are generally positive... I may give it a whirl. And where was it? I wonder if it has the non-ethanol stuff, might not be legal for sale in Connecticut . Mike....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forest Road 594 #14 Posted July 16, 2013 Call local snow mobile and boat dealers. They might have a lead on ethanol free fuel. I go to the local marina in the summer. And the snow mobile dealer claims hell be full by December. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMCIII 838 #15 Posted July 16, 2013 Used the 50:1 TrueFuel for my Husq. weed whacker. I was too lazy to figure out the mixture for the first time since I only had a 5 Gallon gas can. It worked well in the whacker, so, I got another can. As for in the 5xi., well I go down to the local Marathon that sells 110 and I mix that with Sunoco 93. All I can say is WOW. I run a 50/50 mix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shallowwatersailor 3,214 #16 Posted July 16, 2013 I use 93 octane with a Stabil Marine Ethanol treatment and a small amount of Marvel Mystery Oil for my tractors, trim mower, pressure washer, and splitter. I haven't had any issues. On a whim this year, I bought the Tru Fuel 50:1 for my hand held equipment and now on my third can. All are Stihl products but I have had to re-tune my line trimmer because it wouldn't idle on the Tru Fuel. The leaf blower and chainsaws run fine. Just to be sure that it is a 50:1 ratio from the can, I also add a few extra drops of two cycle oil for extra lubrication. I'm surprised that Tru Fuel doesn't tint the fuel. I wouldn't advise adding oil to premixed fuel. I've always been a proponent of using one oil type and sticking with it. By adding oil to a premixes fuel you're mixing two different oils which can, in rare cases, have ill effects. I've seen this first hand in snow mobiles and ATVs. Quite frankly if you doubt the label you shouldn't be using the product. I don't think that was the problem. There shouldn't be any difference adding 50:1 oil to a 50:1 mix. If you add a 32:1 oil to a 50:1 mix or vice versa, that would be a problem. A 32:1 oil will smoke and cause a loss of power in a 50:1 mix. Adding 50:1 oil to a mix that is 32:1 will fry the engine for lack of lubrication. There also is no difference between using and mixing the same rated-ratio dino and synthetic two-stroke oil in fills. The synthetic will burn cleaner; It would be best to settle on one brand though With the Tru Fuel, I like the convenience of unscrewing the lid and that it is ethanol free. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shallowwatersailor 3,214 #17 Posted July 16, 2013 Used the 50:1 TrueFuel for my Husq. weed whacker. I was too lazy to figure out the mixture for the first time since I only had a 5 Gallon gas can. It worked well in the whacker, so, I got another can. As for in the 5xi., well I go down to the local Marathon that sells 110 and I mix that with Sunoco 93. All I can say is WOW. I run a 50/50 mix. Do you know if the Marathon 110 is leaded? Do they put ethanol in it as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Digger 66 3,488 #18 Posted July 16, 2013 Vince Do you have a Fast track gas station near you they sell non ethanol premeum gas here in NY Brian I just looked up the nearest location... looks to be not that far from me. **** On a side note I Googled this stuff also and overall it looks as if this stuff works fairly well and responces are generally positive... I may give it a whirl. Try : http://pure-gas.org/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMCIII 838 #19 Posted July 16, 2013 Used the 50:1 TrueFuel for my Husq. weed whacker. I was too lazy to figure out the mixture for the first time since I only had a 5 Gallon gas can. It worked well in the whacker, so, I got another can. As for in the 5xi., well I go down to the local Marathon that sells 110 and I mix that with Sunoco 93. All I can say is WOW. I run a 50/50 mix. Do you know if the Marathon 110 is leaded? Do they put ethanol in it as well? They sell both leaded and unleaded fuel in multi. octane ratings. NO ethanol is in the fuel. VP BABY!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 42,534 #20 Posted July 17, 2013 When I got my old Sno-Pup The mixing Ratio was 32:1 I questioned my OPE dealer as to why they don't sell 32:1 Tru Fuel. He said use 50:1. He explained the 2 cycle oil is so much better quality these days you don't need the extra oil in any engine. They run cleaner with less smoke and deposit build ups. He said I could dribble a bit of oil into the tank if I want but it's not needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VinsRJ 723 #21 Posted July 17, 2013 Vince Do you have a Fast track gas station near you they sell non ethanol premeum gas here in NY Brian I just looked up the nearest location... looks to be not that far from me. **** On a side note I Googled this stuff also and overall it looks as if this stuff works fairly well and responces are generally positive... I may give it a whirl. And where was it? I wonder if it has the non-ethanol stuff, might not be legal for sale in Connecticut . Mike....... I Googled Fast Track yesterday and located a station in Manchester CT... but now I just re-Googled it to get the actul address and came up with nothing... Not Legal = CT on all of the daily living aspects of life... and if its legal they tax it to the max! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hydro 131 #22 Posted July 17, 2013 I'm surprised reading this. Here in Ontario most, not all hi test or 91 Octane does not contain ethanol. I use it in all my small engines and my outboard. I only started doing that a couple of years ago on the advice of my small engine mechanic but I made no changes to any settings on any of the engines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darg 7 #23 Posted July 20, 2013 If you have a home depot in the area. They should have the t. Bought some last fall. fuel Used it in my chain saw. good stuff darg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electro12WH 50 #24 Posted July 22, 2013 Even if you don't use it on a regular basis during normal usage, it would seem to be wise to use before storing a machine... My Stihl dealer told me the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites