About to give up on removing my C-160 flywheel

[hobobiker 3]

 

 

 

 

when my neighbor came over the night before.  He made the statement "if it were mine, I'd just hit it harder."

 

I lernt a long time ago not to listen to neighbors... my response would have been: "Yeah, but it ain't yours..."

Yep. I knew better. Can anyone tell me whether I can scour eBay for any k341 flywheel, or is there something specific about the one on the c-160? Thanks!!

You just need one with the starter gear and rotor magnet, a very common flywheel. Did the old one ever pop off?

-Mark-

 

Not yet Mark.  I've had to work on an old Harley the past week or so (and had to do it on the floor since my tractor is on the lift...LOL).  I think I'm going to spend the $40 at Lowes or Tractor Supply to get the yellow Map gas cannister and nozzle, but someone here mentioned that even that wouldn't be hot enough.  On the old Harleys, sometimes we weld a bead on old bearing races to get them to pop off...trust me, I've considered doing that since I broke the flywheel.  Ugh...

[hobobiker 3]

Called three local shops and none can help with the flywheel I need.  One says he MIGHT be able to order something if I can give him the series number of the K-341.  Problem is, my old girl doesn't seem to have that info on the shroud anymore.  All three shops told me that old Kohlers are hard to find parts for and expensive and that I might be better finding something else.  Well, I grew up near South Bend and I'm kinda partial to these old Wheel Horses.  LOL!

 

Before I post something in the classifieds for a flywheel and stator, any words of wisdom from the group?  I'm THINKING I see some on eBay that would work, but I'm told I need to find out which charging system I have on the tractor first.  Two wires out of the stator is all I know at this point.

 

And, before you ask, No...the flywheel isn't off yet.  I'm getting ready to break out an air chisel and call it a day... 

 

Thanks everyone!

[rmaynard 15,421]

If you buy one new, you will pay an arm and a leg. Go to eBay and search for one from a K241, 301, 321, or 341. They are almost all the same. Just be sure that the one you get has the six magnets on the back side, and the starter gear ring on the outside.

 

Also, I am sure that one of our members here has one sitting in the shed just waiting to take a trip. 

[Fordiesel69 259]

If you search for a K301flywheel and a stator, you should be fine.  I beleive 10-16 HP will interchange except there were different stators and regulator for different amp charging systems.  So get a matched set and you will be fine.

 

Place your engine into your trunk with your puller and tools attached.  Take to ANY automotive shop that has an oxy acetelene torch and have them heat the flywheel.  It will pop off almost immediatly. 

[Jeff-C175 7,199]

Here's one on ebay... check seller's other items too, may also have the stator.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wheel-Horse-312-8-Kohler-K301S-Engine-Fly-Wheel-/121129941295?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c33e8392f

[Moparfanforever 844]

Isn't the stators different colors for the type of charging system ???? Or there is less/more windings ???

 

Not trying to confuse the problem , but i was thinking one or the other or both is the case and if so all you would have to do is match the color or windings.

[hobobiker 3]

Thanks for the info guys!  I even placed a bid on that very same flywheel on eBay, so thanks for confirming which ones would work for me.  Would REALLY hate to not have this girl running when I needed her.  She plows about a 600' long gravel driveway on a PA mountain all winter long.

 

As for the broken flywheel, bought an Oxy-Map torch and tried it last night.  Red hot, but still didn't pop off.  Might actually pull the motor and take it for some help but that would be admitting defeat.  Then again, maybe I need an oxy-acetalene setup for my garage anyway...  Hmmmm....

[rmaynard 15,421]

I just don't get it. I have never seen a flywheel that didn't come off with a puller and the rap of a hammer. 

[pacer 3,168]

I'm like Bob, I am just having a problem wrapping my head around a flywheel being this difficult. One thing I dont remember seeing as being tried was the method I use and that is using a 1/2' (or 3/4" on big pullers) impact air wrench letting the hammering of the wrench on the puller loosen the item. Usually I just get the puller snugged up good and tight and use a fair sized hammer to rap on the end of the puller - couple raps, snug up the puller about a quarter turn and rap again, usually doesnt take but 2-3 tries like this.

[MaineDad 85]

Same here. Usually a puller and an impact wrench will pop it off. Pull the motor and take it to a machine shop would be your next move.

[hobobiker 3]

I just don't get it. I have never seen a flywheel that didn't come off with a puller and the rap of a hammer. 

 

I agree with you and others.  I'm new to the forum here, but have been wrenching on old Harleys and a few tractors for 20+ years.  I'm getting ready to lay a bead of weld around the inner part of the flywheel where it meets the shaft just to see if that heat will break it loose.  It's a trick we've used on harley fork bearing cups for years.  Might need to pull the motor away from the gas lines, remove the carb, etc.

[rmaynard 15,421]

I wouldn't do anything that radical. Bite the bullet and take it to an engine shop or machine shop. For a couple of bucks they will have it off in no time.

[WH nut 553]

_{I know this wont help, but have you looked to see if the flywheel has turned on the key. That might be the reason its so hard to pull.}

[JamesBe1 82]

I can't help being reminded by all of this, of the wording in the manual about making sure that the flywheel and crankshaft are clean when you put them on.  If someone put it on when it was dirty, it would sure add to the difficulty of removing it.

 

Next time I install a flywheel, I'll be thinking about this thread.

[hobobiker 3]

I can't help being reminded by all of this, of the wording in the manual about making sure that the flywheel and crankshaft are clean when you put them on.  If someone put it on when it was dirty, it would sure add to the difficulty of removing it.

 

Next time I install a flywheel, I'll be thinking about this thread.

Glad I could add some value to the board, even if it is at my own expense.  LOL

[hobobiker 3]

Got it off tonight! Was gone for the weekend, and decided to shoot PB blaster through the threaded holes in the flywheel and then behind the ring gear in an attempt to hit the shaft behind the wheel. Waited a couple minutes, slightly hit the end of the puller with a hammer and "click..." Off it popped!

You can see the broken fins and heated areas...

All magnets were good...

Easy to see now why it wasn't charging...

Will clean her up while she's apart...

[JamesBe1 82]

Wow, what an odyssey that was!  On the plus side, you certainly learned and shared a lot with us.  I tip my hat to ya for all the hard work.

 

Never give up!  Never Surrender!

[rmaynard 15,421]

  As Speedy Alkaseltzer used to say. "Oh what a relief it is".  Maybe you're too young to remember that old commercial, but anyway, I'm sure it's a relief to have that thing off, find the problem, and move on.

[hobobiker 3]

  As Speedy Alkaseltzer used to say. "Oh what a relief it is".  Maybe you're too young to remember that old commercial, but anyway, I'm sure it's a relief to have that thing off, find the problem, and move on.

 

Ha!  I remember those "Plop Plop Fizz Fizz" commercials very well.  You're right though, I WAS glad to see that I had an obvious stator issue.  I would have been ticked to have gone through all of this only to find that the stator looked good...

[sparkie333 265]

 Glad you got her off ---good job hanging in there. Have you got a flywheel yet? I have a k341 flywheel and stator came off the same engine and I have never had to add heat to a flywheel to get them off so this one has not had heat added to it. I also have other parts for this engine it was on my tractor I used for tilling when it broke a rod. I got another engine instead of fixing this one.

[Pullstart 62,763]

I know this is a few days late and you're dollars short... I would have suggested shorter bolts to stretch less.  and I was thinking the whole time of the heat and quench method, I have a big chunk of paraffin wax to quench with and it pulls in like solder.  acts like a lubricant on rusty threaded stuff, maybe it would have worked here?

 

good story though, maybe if someone looks at this later with the same question they'll try this?

[Twohorses 2]

Thanks for this post guys. I'm in the middle of a tear down and was having some problems with the flywheel on my old Kohler 301. No heat required, just a good puller and a few taps on the puller bolt did the trick.