Shifting

[Butch 194]

Do you guys come to a complete stop and then shift or are you coasting a little bit. I very rarely use the brake. I push the clutch in and when the tractor is almost stopped I put it in what ever gear I want and it grinds. Reverse to Hi 1st and vice versa is pretty common with me. I know that grinding is metal to metal but am I doing much damage. I guess I'm either too lazy or too impatient to come to a complete stop.

 

I guess that's where the autos are nice!

[wallfish 16,980]

Complete stop is the best way to go. If anything is turning while shifting gears, it will grind the gears and wear them out prematurely. I'm sure Stevasaurus can post some pics of what happens to the gears when they are abused too much. He has opened up quite a few trannys. I'm sure we are all a little guilty of a grind here and there but doing it constantly over time will eventually cause a problem. 

[prondzy 3,881]

Yes I always come to a complete stop. You are only ruining a good transmission by grinding the gears.

[farmer 1,075]

I change up and down on the move while mowing all the time, I know its a no no but I guess I must have the 'knack',

 

(my 312 is 20 years old with  over 1000hrs)

[Butch 194]

I guess I need to get away from my lazy habit because I don't want to replace the tranny. I was hoping that everyone did it and that it really wasn't hurting anything!!

[Jeff-C175 7,199]

Gotta "Grind 'em to find 'em" , eh Butch? 

[grinchsr 626]

I UPSHIFT ALL THE TIME ON 4 DIFFERENT 8 SPEEDS I HAVE OWNED OVER THE YEARS WITH NO PROBLEMS.

[Tankman 3,518]

 

Yes I always come to a complete stop. You are only ruining a good transmission by grinding the gears.

Full stop, always! This is also in the WH owners manuals:

"To Change Speeds Or Direction

When a change in ground speed or direction is required,

always bring tractor to a complete halt by depressing both

clutch and brake pedals."

On the other hand, in my Mack in have the knack, no clutch shifting on the move. At a stop is the only time I use the clutch but, that's a Mack!

Wheel Horse, stop, pick a gear 'n go. :smile:

[MalMac 1,331]

The transmission was designed to come to a complete stop. Nothing turning. Shifting while moving or anything turning is just grinding and ruining the transmission. But if you like the sound of grinding and have no problem replacing parts have at it. Each to their own.

[Fordiesel69 259]

Don;t own an automatic then.  You will become hooked.

 

We have a 30HP New holland with 12 gears.  L,M,H is not synced and you need to stop.  Gears 1-4 are synced which is nice.

 

On our wheel horse I alway use the clutch pedal to stop the belt first before shifting.  As the belt wears it won;t stop as good. 

 

The 8 speeds are durable as when we were kids it took my cousin about 7 years of constant abuse, grinding, slamming, and mudding thru the woods to ruin it.  It was just the high / low fork he forced.

[stevasaurus 22,700]

The top part of the teeth of this fork gear used to look like the bottom part.  You can bet that the cluster gear, this meshed with, is much the same way.  It comes form the grinding of shifting the gears without coming to a complete stop.  A new cluster gear (if you can still buy a new one) is/was $280.

 

Edited May 21, 2013 by stevasaurus

[Don1977 604]

Complete stop before changing gears if it still grinds give it a little time before changing the gears. The high low shifter never ever shift it unless you are at a complete stop.

[groundhog47 347]

Do you guys come to a complete stop and then shift or are you coasting a little bit. I very rarely use the brake. I push the clutch in and when the tractor is almost stopped I put it in what ever gear I want and it grinds. Reverse to Hi 1st and vice versa is pretty common with me. I know that grinding is metal to metal but am I doing much damage. I guess I'm either too lazy or too impatient to come to a complete stop.

 

I guess that's where the autos are nice!

Agree and owners  manual for mine says come to complete stop. Sold a 2nd high gear a while back to member who had tran that po ground teeth to death. I have inadvertantly shifted while some motion without grind but believe the manual was written by someone smater than I'll ever be

[farmer 1,075]

Not wishing to tread on toes,   but if a gear is changed without a crunch or a grind I can't see the harm. 

 I imagine  tell the operator to stop and select as a disclaimer against abuse, so I would say if you can't shift without a crunch or grind, stop and select.

Now I'll find a big rock to hide behind.

[stevasaurus 22,700]

Farmer...if you are not getting a crunch or grind.   No Problem.  It is just that it is not the recommended way to shift these horses.  The right way is to stop and shift into the gear you want to use...on this forum, that is what you want to tell people.  Correct information and then what works for you.   I'll tell you this...with the transmissions that I have torn apart and seen the damage on the gears, I can not believe they did not hear the grinding.

Edited May 21, 2013 by stevasaurus

[Butch 194]

The top part of the teeth of this fork gear used to look like the bottom part.  You can bet that the cluster gear, this meshed with, is much the same way.  It comes form the grinding of shifting the gears without coming to a complete stop.  A new cluster gear (if you can still buy a new one) is/was $280.

 

Ooh man. Not good. Need to change my ways.

[leeave96 487]

I have been switching while nearing a stop for a long time.  When I do it - I don't force it and especially don't grind the gears, but for me, it works very smoothly.  I can't say that this type of slow moving shifting is much different in how I used a hand lever hydro.  Where the hydro (for me) is I can get a speed somewhere between gears.

 

Good luck!

Bill

[Butch 194]

Well I mowed the lawn today. Seems like it took twice as long!!  Full stops. No grinding. I guess I get my bad habit from driving trucks and cars. I don't think I ever stopped when going from

Reverse to First. Never got any grinds either. Musta been the synchronizers.

[stevasaurus 22,700]

What most people do not realize, is while it is called a clutch on the horses, it really is not.  Taking a 3 speed, 1950 flat head Ford and double clutching to shift gears is one thing.  The transmission is connected to the engine and you have a drive shaft to the wheels, hitting the accelerator increases the revolutions in the trans enabling the meshing of gears with out a sync.  The horses have a spring tension system that stops the power to the trans or engages it...there is no increasing the revs with the gas to mesh the gears.  Your PTO on the newer horses is a clutch...your spring tension system is not.  That is the difference.  I really think that anyone shifting these horses without coming to a complete stop is doing some damage...you can only get used parts to fix it now.  Want to keep that horse going for another 40 years??