Snow blade angle lever question

[squonk 41,010]

I mounted and used a snow blade on my 704 the first time today. It is a short frame plow frame/shaped like an "A" When angling the blade the lever comes way back.The blade itself it what I use on my C-160 also but they are the same. I know it wasn't like that when i was a kid plowing with a 604. There are no numbers on the frame and the lever was on it when i got it. is there supposed to be a different shaped lever??? Here are some pics in all 3 positions:

[Jake Kuhn 1,554]

Mike, I'll get some pictures of my 702 tonight if I remember. Looks like your lever is in a different spot than mine. ~Jake

[TT-(Moderator) 1,131]

I don't think the problem is with the lever.

I'd say the rod between the lever and the quadrant needs to be longer.

Here's a picture of my 6-2111 blade:

The lever is almost vertical when the blade is straight.

[squonk 41,010]

Terry, could you measure the rod?

[Jake Kuhn 1,554]

Here are pictures of mine in all of the positions. not much of a difference. ~Jake

[TT-(Moderator) 1,131]

Terry, could you measure the rod?

Tomorrow - providing I remember. :hide:

[sorekiwi 761]

Just a thought, which bracket are you using on your transmission?

Your blade looks closer to the front wheels than Jakes. If you are using the one that mounts under the axle, that would move everything back by 2 or 4" (I forget which). You should be using the type that bolts to the front of the axle tubes.

That doesnt explain the angle of the lever though, it does look like it is leaning way back.

[Kelly 1,029]

:text-yeahthat: I think Mike is onto something, if you look at the plates on top of the A frame that the pivoit bolts to, Jake's the back of it is about even with the front of the tires, yours is a ways back.

[squonk 41,010]

The bracket is a 2 piece style and mounted on the bottom of the axle.

It is mounted the exact same way our 604 was that was installed by the dealer when it was new.

So I installed the same way. I would hate to move it's it would mess up the geometry for my rear backblade.

The rod from the lever to the quadrant is 32" long.I remember now when I bought the blade it didn't have a rod so I made one like my C-160's

[squonk 41,010]

Here's a pic of the rear bracket. This is exactly one was installed brand new in 64 by a dealer.

[Wishin4a416 2,191]

Picture #2 shows a pretty good dogleg in the bottom of the handle. I dont know if mine has that or not. Its in the shed out back. Or maybe its an illusion from the picture angle.

Just thinking out loud.

[TT-(Moderator) 1,131]

This is exactly one was installed brand new in 64 by a dealer.

Not possible - that type of rear axle hitch wasn't around in '64.

The correct hitch for your blade frame style bolts to the front of the axle housings:

The brackets/locks are on the outside of the frame instead of inside like the newer blades/hitches.

I did measure the angle rod on mine and it is also 32" long.

[sorekiwi 761]

I could very possibly be wrong, but I believed that the mount underneath the axle didnt come out until around the 70's, prior to that I thought they were mounted in front of the axle tubes.

If you look at Rollermans picture from the "Snow Plow Info" thread () and read the text, it seems that the long frame plow (designed to mount under the axle) is 8" longer than the short frame plow (which I have always believed is supposed to mount forward of the axle). Looking at the picture it seems that the pivot point for the lever is about 8" further forward as well:

If we assume there is a 2" difference in the mounting bracket location, then the length of the angle mechanism rod should be 6" shorter on the short frame plow when compared to the long frame plow. Since the chassis themselves are 4" different in length, this number seems reasonable.

So I'm thinking that the short frame actuating rod should be 4-6" shorter than the long frame one.

If it were me, I would forget the math and set the plow angle straight ahead. Disconnect the actuating rod and set the lever to straight up and down, and measure what length the rod needs to be. Make one that length and be done with it.

If need be I do have a short frame plow buried in the shed and I can get a measurement. But ask me to do it before I get too warm or have too many beers in me...

EDIT: Terry beat me to it. I'd go with the measure what you need and make it method.

[squonk 41,010]

This is exactly one was installed brand new in 64 by a dealer.

Not possible - that type of rear axle hitch wasn't around in '64.

The correct hitch for your blade frame style bolts to the front of the axle housings:

The brackets/locks are on the outside of the frame instead of inside like the newer blades/hitches.

I did measure the angle rod on mine and it is also 32" long.

You're probably right, I was only 5 in 64 but I remember the brackets being 2 separate pieces as I took them off once to paint things in the early 70's and the levers stuck out the back. Even if the bracket was on the front of the axle that lever would still be too far back. I think I need a longer rod instead of shorter. A longer rod will not need the lever pulled back as far but will cause it to need to go farther forward in the other direction. I guess I'll experiment tomorrow

[Kelly 1,029]

Here is a picture of the correct mount for the early tractors, like Mike said pre 1970ish, it mounts in front of the axle.

I measured the lower control rod the best I could in the snow with the blade on a tractor it's about 32 or 32.5" center of bend to center of bend.

[TT-(Moderator) 1,131]

A longer rod would definitely help.

You could also try flipping the lever around.

[Bobie01 22]

the difference between jake and your being that is your bent and his not

I would try to flip the lever

Jeff

[sorekiwi 761]

At least it is relatively easy on a tractor with no floorboards to get something that works.

This nasty-@ss arrangement is what I am using on my hybrid mix'n'match plow set up this year!

[squonk 41,010]

Here is a picture of the correct mount for the early tractors, like Mike said pre 1970ish, it mounts in front of the axle.

I measured the lower control rod the best I could in the snow with the blade on a tractor it's about 32 or 32.5" center of bend to center of bend.

Funny, I know that bracket on the 604 was 2 pieces with nothing connecting them together. what tractors used the 2 piece? Could it have been something the dealer had laying around and used?

[sorekiwi 761]

I have seen a couple of old style 2 piece mounts over the years. I wasnt sure if they were made that way or if someone cut them up.

[Kelly 1,029]

I have some they are not quik attach, I thought home made they are angle iron with a 3/4" hole drilled in it, so it slides over the bar on the plow and has the two mounting holes and the flat plate to attach it to the axle, one for each side of the plow.

[squonk 41,010]

Flipped the lever and gained some. Had to drill a new hole in the handle for the lock pin release lever. Will try a slightly longer rod next

[3609horse 27]

Here is a picture of the plow that off my dad's 701. It has angle iron that clamps to the frame and bolts to the A frame . The lock for the plow pivot is operated with your

foot and has a smaller lever. Not sure if it's stock but I have had two frames with this set up. Now I have the plow on my Camando 800 not quite the right plow

for this but it works. Hope you figure it out. Gene...

[glgrumpy 35]

Horse, "Gene"? Is that tractor black or dark grey or what? Looks good in that coat. I'ld like to paint one of mine diff color than red and not sure what. Was thinking of Green, but NOT JD green, much darker! The grill and accents look great on darker tractor.

Fellas on the lever being dog-legged (bent), think it was just to miss footpads on some models AND it also missies the electric pto on my Electro charger. Had it on other way and hit the foot board, till I saw a note here on turning it around for some models. It worked then!

[can whlvr 993]

just to add a bit on the axle bracket.i have a set from 1975(yes i know its different from the older style)but it is 2 peices,and never was welded together,came with a 1975 36 inch tiller,and they havnt been altered