608KEB 795 #1 Posted February 21, 2012 When I was taking the seals out of my transmission I noticed that the torrington bearing was missing a little piece of the outside wall. I don't think I did this when removing the seals because i didn't see the missing piece. Do I need to replace this bearing? K.B. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trouty56 567 #2 Posted February 21, 2012 Looks like it will eventually fail to me. Might be a good opportunity to open it up for a look see. Just replace both sides while you are in there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 15,606 #3 Posted February 21, 2012 I agree with Bob. Also, it looks like someone has been banging on the hitch pin. Hope you can get it out. If you are going to open the tranny, better start soaking that area with PB Blaster now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,133 #4 Posted February 21, 2012 i would replace it. otherwise you may regret it. if you did mistakenly hit it while removing the seal, ( looks like a screwdriver end to me) you cant really be sure if the cage is dragging on the axle, you could end up chewing the axle surface where the bearing runs over it, and then having to replace it later on down the road. if it was like that, same deal, take care of it now rather than later...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,876 #5 Posted February 21, 2012 From experience (expensive experience) I can tell you that when that needle bearing fails the needles can move up the axle shaft and take out the inner ball bearing (the infamous #1533 only available from Toro for over $80 ...each) the needle bearing you need is about $10....your choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WH854 44 #6 Posted February 21, 2012 From experience (expensive experience) I can tell you that when that needle bearing fails the needles can move up the axle shaft and take out the inner ball bearing (the infamous #1533 only available from Toro for over $80 ...each) the needle bearing you need is about $10....your choice. P/N1533 is no longer available from Toro just checked Chas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
608KEB 795 #7 Posted February 21, 2012 Where can I get needle bearings? You guys are pretty observant... I was trying to get hitch pin shaft out, but it wouldn't budge!#@&!! I assume I probably damaged the bearing also. I'll try PB blaster, if that doesn't work what about heating it? Thanks KB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowtiebutler956 650 #8 Posted February 21, 2012 I just tore mine apart recently and I used my arbor press on the pin, but other guys hear have used a ball joint press that you just rent at the auto parts. They say they work well, I'm sure its much easier than the way I did it. :twocents-02cents: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorekiwi 761 #9 Posted February 21, 2012 There is a sticky thread at the top of the Transmission section that gives the cross references for the bearings and seals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
608KEB 795 #10 Posted February 22, 2012 I'll let the PB blaster soak over night if that doesn't work I'll see if I can rent a ball joint press. Any advice on opening the transmission up would be great.... I've never done it. When I get it open any advice on cleaning it out. How do I spilt it open. what tools? I don't have access to a parts cleaner. KB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunahead72 2,432 #11 Posted February 22, 2012 What model tractor are we talking about? There's a transmission repair manual in the Files section of RedSquare that should help you a lot. It covers all the manual transmissions through 1982. I've never seen any manual that covers later years, but this should give you a pretty good idea of what you'll be looking at: http://www.wheelhors...manual-rev-482/ There's also a bunch of good how-to threads in the "Transmissions and transaxles" section of the forum, some with entertaining and informative videos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duff 206 #12 Posted February 22, 2012 OK, now that the infamous 1533 bearing is NLA, should we be concerned? I don't see much reaction to this bit of news....... Duff :thumbs: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorekiwi 761 #13 Posted February 22, 2012 OK, now that the infamous 1533 bearing is NLA, should we be concerned? I don't see much reaction to this bit of news....... Duff Probably, but at at $80 a pop, I cant see anyone stockpiling many if they do find some. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WH854 44 #14 Posted February 22, 2012 OK, now that the infamous 1533 bearing is NLA, should we be concerned? I don't see much reaction to this bit of news....... Duff I guess a feller should start gathering a bunch of transmissions that arn't any good, pull the 1533 bearings out and save them for future use .Or find a way to use a different bearing.They are not as wide as other ball bearings. I have a set I removed from a transmissiom that was cracked so I have a set. Chas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WH854 44 #15 Posted February 22, 2012 OK, now that the infamous 1533 bearing is NLA, should we be concerned? I don't see much reaction to this bit of news....... Duff Probably, but at at $80 a pop, I cant see anyone stockpiling many if they do find some. Aguy on ebay want's 150.00 for just one. Chas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WH854 44 #16 Posted February 22, 2012 I'll let the PB blaster soak over night if that doesn't work I'll see if I can rent a ball joint press. Any advice on opening the transmission up would be great.... I've never done it. When I get it open any advice on cleaning it out. How do I spilt it open. what tools? I don't have access to a parts cleaner. KB Try these links Chas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racinfool40 202 #17 Posted February 22, 2012 AHHHHH!!! The infamous 1533 bearing..Seen that coming on the NLA!! Thats why I pull them from every trans I come across..I have a few sets sealed in bags covered in grease!! As for why this thread was started..I would definitly replace the needle bearing as everyone else has stated. Save alot of head ache's down the road..please let us know what trans you are working on. And we will get you pointed in the right direction. MIKE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
608KEB 795 #18 Posted February 22, 2012 It's a 4 speed from a 1975 B-80. Can I still get needle bearings. I think it's part #1528 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,876 #19 Posted February 22, 2012 Koyo (or Torrington) B-1616 Less than $10 from bearing place. Also from your local auto parts store but will be more$$ (or $20 from Toro) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,876 #20 Posted February 22, 2012 Had to suspect the 1533 NLA issue....however other than the one taken out by the failed needle bearing (which was run for quite awhile after it failed) I have never had to replace a 1533. I saved a couple out of otherwise unsalavageable trannys. (should have enough to outlast me :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
608KEB 795 #21 Posted February 22, 2012 would u know what the part # is for the rent of the needle bearings #1508 3/4" qty 2, #1532 1" qty 2, #1529 3/4" qty 1, #1523 3/4"qty 1 , #1531 5/8" qty 1 #1518 5/8" qty 1 KB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WH854 44 #22 Posted February 22, 2012 would u know what the part # is for the rent of the needle bearings #1508 3/4" qty 2, #1532 1" qty 2, #1529 3/4" qty 1, #1523 3/4"qty 1 , #1531 5/8" qty 1 #1518 5/8" qty 1 KB Try this link up in the right hand corner #8 Chas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorekiwi 761 #23 Posted February 22, 2012 would u know what the part # is for the rent of the needle bearings #1508 3/4" qty 2, #1532 1" qty 2, #1529 3/4" qty 1, #1523 3/4"qty 1 , #1531 5/8" qty 1 #1518 5/8" qty 1 KB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
608KEB 795 #24 Posted February 23, 2012 got it thanks! KB I ordered all the needle bearings for about $65.00 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites