What do the numbers mean?

[Paul D. 26]

I have a C-141 I know that the 14 stands for H.P. but what does the other 1 stand for??? This may be a dumb question but well... I just don't know. What can I say. I'm still a rookie

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,332]

I think it just designates a series. The C-81/101-121-141 and 161 were the 1978-79 series. After that the number 1 changed to a 5 and the Blackhoods were the current series ( C-85/105/125 etc....).

Mike..............

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Humm I wonder, can I play too? My new old 653...I know the six, and the three, but not the five? :thanks:

[Paul D. 26]

I had heard some one saying that it the difference between lets say a c-161 and a c-160 is the rubber motor mounts / rigid mount but I have never heard that anywhere else

Glad to see i'm not the only one Craig

[rmaynard 15,514]

Humm I wonder, can I play too? My new old 653...I know the six, and the three, but not the five?

Back then 5 = manual transmission, 7 = automatic? Of course there is always the 0 as in 401 and 701 which were manuals.

[Martin 2,132]

Humm I wonder, can I play too? My new old 653...I know the six, and the three, but not the five?

not sure on the 160 and 161 thing but the middle number in 653 is the trans. 5 was the 3 speed.

regarding trans numbers the 6 is the 6/8 speed and the 7 is hydro

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OK guys that works, thank you both.

[Kelly 1,029]

Ok lets use a C-120 as a example, 12hp, the 0 tells you it's a 74 to 77 tractor, narrow dash tower, gas tank under the hood, those are the easy to see items, C-121 built 78 and 79 wide dash tower, gas tank under the fender, iso mount engine, C-125 built 80 to 84 Black hood all but 84 had plasic fenders, from factory, most have been changed over the years, also a isomount engine, yes there are exceptions to the rule in fact quite a few if you dig.

The older tractors IE, 653 first no is HP second no. 5 elect. start, last no the year, only used in the 60's so 1963

if the middle no was a 0 it would be a pull start, and yes there are exceptions to this rule also like the 701, 702 they are elect start.

Guys they all were back then stick shift, till 1965 then it was a 7 for the middle # for the hydro, and all hydros are elect. start, the middle # tells you if elect. start or not, like a 656 is a 6hp elect. start 1966, the 606 is a 6hp pull start 1966

Edited February 8, 2012 by Kelly

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Glad to see i'm not the only one Craig

You're never alone here Paul, always someone to jump in and help you out. :beer:

[Martin 2,132]

kelly, is the middle number only like that up to 63? i thought that the middle on the 64 up was 5.6.7. only and that designated trans. am i wrong? i had heard about what you said for the earlier ones before but i thought that changed in 64........

edit... but 653 is 1963 so what you said doesnt coincide with my reasoning, so i guess i was wrong.

[can whlvr 993]

there is an exception to this and thats a c161 1-0381,and another c162,1-0385,strange that they area 75 and 74,but for the most the rule is true,from the document all years wheelhorse

[Kelly 1,029]

kelly, is the middle number only like that up to 63? i thought that the middle on the 64 up was 5.6.7. only and that designated trans. am i wrong? i had heard about what you said for the earlier ones before but i thought that changed in 64........

edit... but 653 is 1963 so what you said doesnt coincide with my reasoning, so i guess i was wrong.

They used that #ing system till 67, then named the tractors, Raiders are sticks Chargers are Hydros, both long frame, and so on, I edited my other post above.

[Martin 2,132]

just trying to understand wh reasoning behind their numbering.

take for example

1057 10 hp 3 speed 1967

1067 10 hp ? 1967

1077 10 hp hyd 1967

what was the 6? i thought it was for the 'other' stick? 6 speed in this case...

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So, the 0, and the 5 thing aren't the only differences, correct?

Because I'm thinking a 653, and 603 are completely different animals...no? :scratchead:

[Paul D. 26]

Thanks for the clarification... I think I got wondering last week when I thought I posted a pic of a C-160 and then found out it was a C-161 I can definitely tell the difference now

[Kelly 1,029]

Martin, your talking long frames, they were all elect. start, and 1967 was the first year for the 6 speed so if the no. after the HP was a 6 yes it's a 6 speed but that is the only year, and only 3 tractors 867 (the only short frame tractor with a high low trans) 1067 and 1267, in 1965 they started the hydro and as I said ALL hydros are elect, start so the first no. after the HP is a 7 for a hydro from 65 till 67.

Craig your correct on the two tractors being diff. bodys, and how about the 633? that is a 6hp Kohler pull start, the 753 was the 7hp Kohler elect. start model, they never used a ID to tell the bodys apart, you just have to learn the system, flawed as it is, some tractors don't fit the system but 98% do.

Paul when you stop by in a few weeks plan to stay a bit I'll show you how to tell them apart, I probably have one model (body style) of every front engined tractor they built, but the D.

[TT-(Moderator) 1,131]

there is an exception to this and thats a c161 1-0381,and another c162,1-0385,strange that they area 75 and 74,but for the most the rule is true,from the document all years wheelhorse

That's just incorrect information, not an exception. Those models numbers are both C-160 8 speeds.

There was never a C-162 model produced by Wheel Horse. I think that got botched in the translation by someone saying "that's a C-160 TOO" and whoever was entering the data typed C-162.

[Martin 2,132]

Martin, your talking long frames, they were all elect. start, and 1967 was the first year for the 6 speed so if the no. after the HP was a 6 yes it's a 6 speed but that is the only year, and only 3 tractors 867 (the only short frame tractor with a high low trans) 1067 and 1267, in 1965 they started the hydro and as I said ALL hydros are elect, start so the first no. after the HP is a 7 for a hydro from 65 till 67.

kelly,

thanks for clearing that up for me. i guess i was just thinking of the 67 tractors and i had a brain fade.

(oh and my wife is making drinks for me as well)

still, im getting schooled a little on the others though..... :handgestures-thumbup:

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Craig your correct on the two tractors being diff. bodys, and how about the 633? that is a 6hp Kohler pull start, the 753 was the 7hp Kohler elect. start model, they never used a ID to tell the bodys apart, you just have to learn the system, flawed as it is, some tractors don't fit the system but 98% do.

Thanks for kick starting my edjumacation too Kelly...I'm numerically designating this with a big #1. :thumbs:

[can whlvr 993]

sorry guys,i didnt realize that the document i down loaded is not accurate :hide:

[Paul D. 26]

Martin, your talking long frames, they were all elect. start, and 1967 was the first year for the 6 speed so if the no. after the HP was a 6 yes it's a 6 speed but that is the only year, and only 3 tractors 867 (the only short frame tractor with a high low trans) 1067 and 1267, in 1965 they started the hydro and as I said ALL hydros are elect, start so the first no. after the HP is a 7 for a hydro from 65 till 67.

Craig your correct on the two tractors being diff. bodys, and how about the 633? that is a 6hp Kohler pull start, the 753 was the 7hp Kohler elect. start model, they never used a ID to tell the bodys apart, you just have to learn the system, flawed as it is, some tractors don't fit the system but 98% do.

Paul when you stop by in a few weeks plan to stay a bit I'll show you how to tell them apart, I probably have one model (body style) of every front engined tractor they built, but the D.

Kelly, I would love a lesson in Wheel Horse history. My wife may get bored but I go shopping with her so she can deal ]

[jusjeepn 59]

OK Kelly! How about the 1045, 1046 and 1047? I've owned all three and they were bastards to find parts for!

[Kelly 1,029]

I said it was a flawed system, with exceptions, add the 701, 702, 633, I think that covers the odd balls.