RJ 35

[jcb857 161]

what are the spec #s of the k90 engine that was used on RJ 35? Or did they just put any k90 engine on and paint it red?

[evanloock 226]

27107D is the spec number of the K-90 used on the RJ-35 and early RJ-58 tractors.

[VinsRJ 723]

That is the correct Spec Number, as well as, a Schnacke recoil would be correct for a RJ35. Keep in mind that RJ58 info stated "4hp engine" so only the very earliest RJ58s would have had a K90 or Clinton 1200.

[evanloock 226]

Hence the word "early" in my reply. My serial 3796 RJ-58 has the K-90.

[VinsRJ 723]

Hence the word "early" in my reply. My serial 3796 RJ-58 has the K-90.

There, I corrected my prior response. I didn't mean to speak directly to you, I was just trying to reinforce what you stated. Obviously quoting you was incorrect.

[jcb857 161]

Thanks for the info . Would the k91 engine spec#s for the later RJ 58, 59 be the same as the ones on the 400 model surburban spec #s 31388A ? Just trying to learn more about these models because I want to start looking for one.

[VinsRJ 723]

I believe the K91 for a RJ58 and early RJ59 were different, I know later RJ59s had the 60 Suburban Spec number on them, 31388A. There was a thread about a year or two ago that had all of the RJ / Suburban Spec Numbers layed out, might want to try a search. You can also PM MikesRJ as I believe he has a ton of WH documents with Spec Numbers.

You can also use a Clinton 1200 or A1200 with a Schnacke recoil on a RJ35. RJ58/9s came with a Clinton B1290, for the most part, with a Fairbanks.

[evanloock 226]

The RJ-58 could come with a K-90 27107D (early), Later 58 units came with a Kohler K-91 31307A. Both these engines would be equipped with a Schnacke recoil unit with a backup rope starter contained under the recoil assembly and an oilbath airfilter. Late model RJ-59 tractors with a Kohler would have a K-91 31388A with the Fairbanks recoil starter and paper airfilter element. The 31388A was also used on the 1960 Suburban 400.

Clintons used were 1200-152 (early 55 RJ-35 Schnacke recoil, oilbath filter, short muffler directly in block), 1200-184 (later 55-56 RJ-35 Schnacke recoil, oilbath filter, 1/2 inch pipe threaded into block as with later variants) and 1200-2184 (56-57 RJ-35 Fairbanks-Morse recoil, paper element filter, 1/2 inch pipe threaded into block as with later variants). The 1200-2184 was also used on early RJ-58. Later RJ-58/59 with the Clinton motor used the B1290-1107 (Fairbanks-Morse recoil, paper element filter). There has also been some evidence that a few early Suburban 400's used a Clinton B1290-1107 as well.

[puddlejumper 67]

Good thread, My 57 has the clinton 1200-2184 But it has a fairbanks recoil. It was supposedly original and appears so. Is this possible or should it definetly be a schnacke recoil.

I think you answered my question while I went to double check myself :woohoo:

[evanloock 226]

Yep, Clinton 1200-2184 had the Fairbanks-Morse recoil.

[rj35hunter 283]

The RJ-58 could come with a K-90 27107D (early), Later 58 units came with a Kohler K-91 31307A. Both these engines would be equipped with a Schnacke recoil unit with a backup rope starter contained under the recoil assembly and an oilbath airfilter. Late model RJ-59 tractors with a Kohler would have a K-91 31388A with the Fairbanks recoil starter and paper airfilter element. The 31388A was also used on the 1960 Suburban 400.

Clintons used were 1200-152 (early 55 RJ-35 Schnacke recoil, oilbath filter, short muffler directly in block), 1200-184 (later 55-56 RJ-35 Schnacke recoil, oilbath filter, 1/2 inch pipe threaded into block as with later variants) and 1200-2184 (56-57 RJ-35 Fairbanks-Morse recoil, paper element filter, 1/2 inch pipe threaded into block as with later variants). The 1200-2184 was also used on early RJ-58. Later RJ-58/59 with the Clinton motor used the B1290-1107 (Fairbanks-Morse recoil, paper element filter). There has also been some evidence that a few early Suburban 400's used a Clinton B1290-1107 as well.

Evanloock, have you ever heard of a clinton engine 1200-1184 B used in late 55/early 56? I have one on an all original tractor and is the only one I've seen so far. It also has the schnacke recoil and paper style air filter. I wanted your thought on it.

Thanks!

[evanloock 226]

No I have not. From what I can tell the 1200 184 equipped RJ-35's seem to be quite rare. I know you bought one off eBay with the stop button, I have one that it identical to yours except it has the toggle switch. Do you have any others with the 184 spec engine?

The RJ-35's with the frame supported tank and 1200 152 engine seem to be popping up here and there. There may have been a transitional engine between the oil bath/Schnacke equipped 1200 184 and the paper element/Fairbanks equipped 1200 2184 engine. Curious that the 184 spec number is contained in all 3 variants...184, 1184 & 2184.

If it looks to be original and the serial is not out of line with your other tractors of earlier and later vintage, I would say we may need to add that engine to the list. Hopefully another RJ-35 with that engine will turn up to confirm it.

[Eriks Red horse herd 118]

WELL GUYS! That is Eric and Clay - I have a late 55 or early 56 with sheet metal frame but has some 55 features ( confirmed by Joe Papke) to possibly be a late 55. The engine on the tractor is a 1200-1184B and is original.And has the Schnacke recoil too! The only thing is it didn't have a air cleaner on it, only the air horn. So should it be a paper element or oil bath?

Clay does your tactor have the sheet metal frame or channel steel would like to know!

[evanloock 226]

Well I only have paperwork for my vintage RJ-35, but this is what I have.....Clinton 1200 model variation chart dated 05/1956 shows parts that were used in addition to or in place of the standard engine: 1184 shows the engine having the Schnacke recoil, but no note on a different air filter than the base engine, which means that the 6215-A oil bath that was used on the 152 engine was used in 1184 as well. The 184 uses a different oil bath filter with part number 3827-A used in lieu of 6215-A

At least this is what the paperwork states as printed in May 1956.

[rj35hunter 283]

No I have not.

[rj35hunter 283]

WELL GUYS! That is Eric and Clay - I have a late 55 or early 56 with sheet metal frame but has some 55 features ( confirmed by Joe Papke) to possibly be a late 55. The engine on the tractor is a 1200-1184B and is original.And has the Schnacke recoil too! The only thing is it didn't have a air cleaner on it, only the air horn. So should it be a paper element or oil bath?

Clay does your tactor have the sheet metal frame or channel steel would like to know!

Erik, according to my 1184 it should be a paper style with schnacke recoil. Does your air horn on the engine point up or down and does the carburator bolt directly to the engine block or does it have a "s" shaped intake in between the engine block and the carburator? I also had a hard time deciding which year my 1184 was too.....either late 55 or early 56.....but who will ever really know. I call it an early 56 myself. By the way Erik the 1184 tractor does have a sheet metal frame too.

Thanks

[BOWTIE 226]

HELLO YOU RJ OWNERS. MY FATHER A BOUGHT A NEW WHEEL HORSE IN 58-OR 59 . I THOUGHT IT WAS A 1959, BECAUSE A CHRISTMAS PICTURE DATED DECEMBER 1959 OF ME ON IT AND I WAS BORN IN 1955. THE PICTURE WAS TAKEN IN THE SUMMER. MY QUESTION IS WHEN DID THEY HAVE 4 HORSEPOWER KOHLER. I REMEMBERED THE STARTER ROPE WAS STEEL AND WAS CUTTING INTO THE HOUSING. WE TRADED IT IN FOR A 857. JUST CURIOUS, THANKS BOWTIE IN OHIO

[rj35hunter 283]

Sounds like yours was 58 to me. I have two original 58's with the cable instead of rope recoil.....schnacke brand. I think by late 58/59 they were using mainly fairbanks & morse recoils that were rope. They used Kohler 4 HP 58 through 61.....to answer your question. I am not 100% sure, just my opinion by what I have gathered so far. Others will help too.

[evanloock 226]

Clay:

I only have 1 RJ-35 and it is just like yours off eBay save for the stop switch. Mine also has the large angled hole behind the engine for the lift cable. An unusual feature of mine is that the lift cable is made of 2 metal brackets, one at the lift arm and one at the hitch, connected by the same cable used as the steering cable on the early 55 machines. We definitely need to compare serial numbers and pics of these 2!

I am curious to see if Erik's has the "S" shaped intake on the 1184 or not. The paper work I have was revised in 1956 so there may have been a different specification for the air filter on an earlier engine?

[Eriks Red horse herd 118]

OK- lets see my 1184 does not have the S- shaped air intake, carb bolts direct to motor. Air horn points down.

Clay- ser# 3729266

By the way looks like Jim D just brought up my old post from two years ago when i got it. ITs Lassoed me a painted pony it has picks of the tractor. Hood is a springfield some p.o put on her. I just got a new hood for her and it has brass kill switch on it. I could take new picks, but shes all in pieces in the shop getting a make over.

[rj35hunter 283]

OK- lets see my 1184 does not have the S- shaped air intake, carb bolts direct to motor. Air horn points down.

Clay- ser# 3729266

By the way looks like Jim D just brought up my old post from two years ago when i got it. ITs Lassoed me a painted pony it has picks of the tractor. Hood is a springfield some p.o put on her. I just got a new hood for her and it has brass kill switch on it. I could take new picks, but shes all in pieces in the shop getting a make over.

Erik, that's great....my serial # on my 1184 is 3729339, only 73 numbers higher than yours. That is pretty close and I think mine is an early 56 and it has the smooth hood, but the normal kill switch. The hood you got for it is probably a little early for it.......but will work just fine. I see its got the original front schnuit wheels and tires. Yours is another great addition to my serial # collecting to try and help identify an RJ35.....Thanks!

Yours should take the paper style clinton air filter, just like mine does. Keep us posted with project pictures....can't wait to see her done.

Evanloock, there is another 1184 to prove they do exist so you can add to your list. :ROTF:

[rj35hunter 283]

Erik, here are a few pics of my 1200 1184 B 3729339 tractor to compare to yours and has an unusual hood weight that looks original to me down to the paint on the bolts holding it to the hood. If anyone has any info on this, let me know.

Evanloock, I'll post pics of my 1200 184 engine tractor later tonight.

[Eriks Red horse herd 118]

Clay thanks for the pics! something i can look forward to on mine. I see it also has the one arm and not the cross support arm to gear case on the vari pully arm. Most 55 ,56,57 have that extra support arm . must be some thing in this time frame they did'nt use that extra piece.

Love the three blade deck don't see them very often, kind of a rare piece! Thanks for shareing! I wonder how many other 1184's are out there?

[rj35hunter 283]

Clay thanks for the pics! something i can look forward to on mine. I see it also has the one arm and not the cross support arm to gear case on the vari pully arm. Most 55 ,56,57 have that extra support arm . must be some thing in this time frame they did'nt use that extra piece.

Love the three blade deck don't see them very often, kind of a rare piece! Thanks for sharing! I wonder how many other 1184's are out there?

I have noticed myself that all 55's and maybe early 56's don't have that extra brace on the variable speed pulley brace, but after that they did such as mid 56 to end with 57's. I hope this will stur up some more 1184 engines.

[rj35hunter 283]

We definitely need to compare serial numbers and pics of these 2!

Here's a few pics of my 1200 184 B 3648161.

Eric: Let's see your tractor & serial #'s! :woohoo: