rodco 0 #1 Posted April 29, 2010 Help.. I need my tractor to move dirt this weekend. I am having a truck load of top soil delivered and today my RIGHT handle spindle on my C 161 tractor broke. The spindle snapped off and the tie rod broke. Can the spindle be welded? Is this a different spindle than the normal c-161's? I ask because it has a factor front loader- Ark550. Will another C161 axle fit? I see this part #- 105968 on the toro site..is that correct? The poor tractor is stranded in the road. Any help is appreciated. ROB Pittsburgh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 15,426 #2 Posted April 29, 2010 Post the model number from the ID tag. I have a spindle from a C-161 81-16KS01. It is compatible with 1977 B-80, B-100, C-120, C-160 also. Bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickv1957 72 #3 Posted April 29, 2010 I would replace your spindle although it could be welded, Rick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarcoleo 119 #4 Posted April 29, 2010 Considering the loading on your particular C-161, it might not be advisable to try to weld the broken kingpin. It likely cannot be welded to be as strong as original. There isn't any extra length in the kingpin to allow a sound weld with the arm. Just my $.02. Hope you can find a replacement quickly. Tom in RI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Series14 15 #5 Posted April 29, 2010 That is the HD spindle too! Never broke one myself. I would think you could put a regular spindle on there with the original tire. I have never really looked to see what differences there are between the HD spindle and the original spindle. I know it has the beefed up section. Wonder if the axle shaft is larger??? I got my 3 sets of HD spindles and tires way back when they were cheap and hardly anyone ordered them, I never looked at them that closely... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarcoleo 119 #6 Posted April 29, 2010 If you have access to a machine shop, the arm could be bored out and a new (scratch) kingpin could be fitted and welded to the arm. Tom in RI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Don1977 604 #7 Posted April 29, 2010 There isn't much way you can weld that with the original pieces. You could cut the spindle below tie rod end clean out the hole and then weld in a new piece below the tie rod plate. Looks like you need to weld up the tie rod hole and drill it, got some play there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rodco 0 #8 Posted April 29, 2010 Post the model number from the ID tag. I have a spindle from a C-161 81-16KS01. It is compatible with 1977 B-80, B-100, C-120, C-160 also. Bob Here is the ID info. I can get a replacement spindle on Ebay from a guy in Jersey, but I want to make sure it will still fit. Are the spindle shaft the same size? What makes the Heavy duty one..so Heavy. ROB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Don1977 604 #9 Posted April 29, 2010 The standard ones are 3/4". what size are your HD ones. To answer your question the bent plate welded under the tie rod plate it isn't there on a standard one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Series14 15 #10 Posted April 30, 2010 "To answer your question the bent plate welded under the tie rod plate it isn't there on a standard one." I know about the beefup plate, I have 3 tractors with the same HD spindle. I was curious about other specs...I don't have a spare HD spindle off a tractor to compare to the standard one... The HD Spindle Kit comes with new wheels and tires so that is where I think it might be different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KC9KAS 4,741 #11 Posted April 30, 2010 At least you have the loader to raise the front up so you don't need a jack! :omg: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rodco 0 #12 Posted April 30, 2010 "To answer your question the bent plate welded under the tie rod plate it isn't there on a standard one." I know about the beefup plate, I have 3 tractors with the same HD spindle. I was curious about other specs...I don't have a spare HD spindle off a tractor to compare to the standard one... The HD Spindle Kit comes with new wheels and tires so that is where I think it might be different. I can get the replacement regular spindle, but how do I even begin to look up the part number for the heavy duty spindle? I checked the toro website, but did not see any options for "special" spindles. Thanks Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Series14 15 #13 Posted April 30, 2010 How do you begin to look up the part number??? Ask me, I got 3 kits! Heck, I even still have the original box the kit came in. The whole kit was $160 or so MANY years ago. Came with 2 HD spindles, tires, wheels, and all hardware. Then, word got out on the internet WH site and Toro saw they were selling a bunch of these kits and the price skyrocketed! Don't even know if you can still order it... Use 80490 for the model number. I just looked it up on SEPW.com and it is available, around $40. That number is for 1979. The ones I bought are 80493. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Series14 15 #14 Posted April 30, 2010 Just looked 80490 on Toro, it works. Says available thru WH distribution system... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarcoleo 119 #15 Posted April 30, 2010 Rodco- In view of all the above and with time short, I believe a good machine shop can bore out what's left of the assembly and weld in a newly fabricated king pin (the part that broke off). Just to clear the the names of things- the spindle is the axle on which the wheel mounts, the king pin is the part of the assembly that fits into cross beam, and the steering arm is the part that engages the tie rod. The new king pin will have enough purchase once the hole is bored out and welded on the bottom end. But you need a good machine shop. Tom in RI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarcoleo 119 #16 Posted April 30, 2010 Rob- Not to beat a dead horse, but you have to see this- http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/index.php?...topic=16765&hl= Tom in RI PS- Sorry for the bad pun :omg: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider12 13 #17 Posted April 30, 2010 Rob- Not to beat a dead horse, but you have to see this- http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/index.php?...topic=16765&hl= Tom in RI That is what I was just getting to post. I bet you won't break one of those spindles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horse'n Around 22 #18 Posted May 1, 2010 There is a NOS kit on ebay with a buy it now price of $249.95. I am in no way connected with the seller or anything, I just wanted to pass it along in case it might be of some help. It comes with both spindles and the wheels and tires. I dont know if this is a good deal or not, but I remember seeing this thread yesterday and I saw the auction a few minutes ago , its a new listing and I thought of you. The listing says...." Wheel Horse heavy duty front wheel kit for loader. Fits 300 400 500 series". It appears that the seller is a dealer. I would have just included the auction number in my post but I dont know if it is against the rules.I wrote down the auction number so if you want it either email me or send a message to me , if a Moderator says it is permitted I can just post it here. I just dont want to break any rules. I hope this helps, John Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Series14 15 #19 Posted May 1, 2010 There is a RH HD Spindle on EPay right now also!!!! Don't see the NOS one or I would buy that!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cessna 1 #20 Posted May 1, 2010 Jack's Wheel Horse in Sarver may have one. Go up PA 28 and get off the Millerstown exit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarcoleo 119 #21 Posted May 1, 2010 The spindle mentioned above on ebay- http://cgi.ebay.com/WHEEL-HORSE-TRACTOR-WH...78#ht_531wt_688 Tom in RI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rodco 0 #22 Posted May 3, 2010 There is a RH HD Spindle on EPay right now also!!!! Don't see the NOS one or I would buy that!!! The ebay seller I have been communicating with since last week, has been screwing around with me. I wanted it shipped overnight and he said he could not do it..now here it is Monday and he fiannly coffesses that he does not even have the part available and has no intention of getting it in. Why is the listing still up? I am getting kinda P*ssed off. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=270549515384 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarcoleo 119 #23 Posted May 3, 2010 There is a set of WH spindles on ebay (another listing). Probably these could be reworked for your purposes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...31#ht_900wt_941 Tom in RI BTW, the vender here is a frequent seller. I would email him re your need. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rodco 0 #24 Posted May 3, 2010 There is a RH HD Spindle on EPay right now also!!!! Don't see the NOS one or I would buy that!!! Update..All dead ends. JACKS Small Mowers- Not available (although listed as in stock) Parts tree.com- Not available (although listed as in stock) SEPW- Not available (although listed as in stock) Ebay Auction- Fraud-Not even available Mowpart.com Not available (although listed as in stock) Toro direct DISCONTINUED This is the problem with using older equiptment. Its also frustrating that all these dealers listed the parts as available, but never really had it on their shelf. :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rodco 0 #25 Posted May 3, 2010 There is a set of WH spindles on ebay (another listing). Probably these could be reworked for your purposes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...31#ht_900wt_941 Tom in RI BTW, the vender here is a frequent seller. I would email him re your need. there are a couple sets available. Will the King pins fit the axle on the c160 series? Will I need new wheels? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
