Sparky-(Admin) 22,020 #1 Posted April 7 My 308-8 steering “skips”. I can move the lower steering shaft forwards/backwards a bit so something is up. Is there a steering shaft shim kit available? I’m not a fabricator so don’t suggest I make my own 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 57,772 #2 Posted April 7 Go to the Hillman cabinets and buy an assortment of 3/4" round shim washers and put in as many as needed to push the fan gear forward toward the pinion. 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Newbie 7,195 #3 Posted April 7 Would this work with gear reduction steering on a 1994 520 H ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 70,612 #4 Posted April 7 9 minutes ago, 953 nut said: Go to the Hillman cabinets and buy an assortment of 3/4" round shim washers and put in as many as needed to push the fan gear forward toward the pinion. Seconded. @Sparky. While you're in there, check the holes in the pillow block. If they are egged out, your repairs with washers are going to be limited. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 42,459 #5 Posted April 7 Make sure your steering block isn't cracked. Every tractor I've had that has done this has had a broken or cracked block. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 57,772 #6 Posted April 7 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said: Would this work with gear reduction steering on a 1994 520 H ? As Mike pointed out it could be a cracked/broken steering support block. If the play is between the fan gear and pinion it would. If it is too bad you may have to remove the block, drill it out and put in a bushing but most times just bushing the fan gear will do the trick. The shim washers go behind the steering block between the block and the roll pin/cotter key. @cleat has pictures in his excellent thread. Edited April 7 by 953 nut 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 70,612 #7 Posted April 7 18 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said: Would this work with gear reduction steering on a 1994 520 H ? 4 minutes ago, 953 nut said: As Mike pointed out it could be a cracked/broken steering support block. If the play is between the fan gear and pinion it would. If it is too bad you may have to remove the block, drill it out and put in a bushing but most times just bushing the fan gear will do the trick. The shim washers go behind the steering block between the block and the roll pin/cotter key. I can't find it right now but I saved a thread with some information done by either @cleat or Duke which would probably help a lot. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daveoman1966 3,800 #8 Posted April 7 Easy fix... 3 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 13,674 #9 Posted April 7 48 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said: Would this work with gear reduction steering on a 1994 520 H ? The reduction steering fan mount usually has shims underneath it. If you don't see any under the fan mount, let me know. I have some that we can "copy" if you want to. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 9,078 #10 Posted April 7 @Sparky , @953 nut @daveoman1966 AGREE ON THE HILLMAN flat washers , also use them on the front wheel shimming , eliminate the side shucking / slamming, green grease , solid smooth zero play . pete 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 22,020 #11 Posted April 7 45 minutes ago, squonk said: Make sure your steering block isn't cracked. Every tractor I've had that has done this has had a broken or cracked block. Yeah. Haven’t inspected anything to be honest, just might be a busted steering block. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 7,028 #12 Posted April 7 (edited) I have seen under size cotter pins used all worn and bent causing loose connection with the steering gear. Edited April 7 by Lee1977 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 13,674 #13 Posted April 7 The upper steering shaft lock collar can be the source as well. It holds the small gear down onto the lower support. If there is any space above the lock collar, the gears will skip. 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 9,078 #14 Posted April 7 @Lee1977 amazing to me on almost any connection point , there is a basic flaw of operational function , remember writing to wheel horse as a new customer , asking if they could spare the washers in connection areas ? have also read that the brothers were notoriously cheap , and penny pinched every ware . of course a moving production line , consumes vast amounts of , finish connections , when its brandy new , little to complain about , but as it settles in , its showing you , missed steps . many of the corrections I have made , were detailing in a sloppy connection spot , just watching IT , TRYING TO WORK , shows you the , correction spot . EXAMPLE ? , how about that sloppy PTO LEVER STARTING POINT ? with a washer fill in , and lube , its solid , easy smooth , add a heim joint at end swivel , its effortless , buzzing connections ? more often than not , a connection spring , assures ,quiet pull back on sloppy area , of course lubrication , in a dry rusty spot, enhances operation , regular set up for me , pete 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ri702bill 8,946 #15 Posted April 7 5 hours ago, Lee1977 said: I have seen under size cotter pins used all worn and bent causing loose connection with the steering gear. I usually replace steering roll pins with coiled pins. Some extreme cases required going up to the next size ( hole and pin) to fix the issue. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 22,020 #16 Posted April 10 Steering block was solid with no cracks. Closer inspection showed the cotter pin almost completely worn thru (what was left of it is circled in red). Pictures 2 & 3 show how much front to back slop the lower steering shaft had. Added one thick and one thin shim and a new cotter pin and she’s good as new! 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 42,459 #17 Posted April 10 @Sparky Is that engine mounting bolt loose ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 22,020 #18 Posted April 10 34 minutes ago, squonk said: @Sparky Is that engine mounting bolt loose ? Hmmm…good eye Mike! The 308 is still in the garage so I’ll have to crawl back under and see 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 42,459 #19 Posted April 10 All that work and you didn't even "disturb the grease!" 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 57,772 #20 Posted April 11 15 hours ago, squonk said: didn't even "disturb the grease!" That ain't grease, it is rustproofing material. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 22,020 #21 Posted April 11 @squonk Tuned out BOTH the bolts holding the engine mounting plate (rear) were loose! Thanks again… 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 70,612 #22 Posted April 11 14 minutes ago, 953 nut said: That ain't grease, it is rustproofing material. This is what we call "technically correct" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 42,459 #23 Posted April 11 39 minutes ago, 953 nut said: That ain't grease, it is rustproofing material. If that's the case Fiat's would never rust 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 18,314 #24 Posted April 12 (edited) None of my tractors large or small rust on the bottoms Edited April 12 by pfrederi 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites