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  My 308-8 steering “skips”. I can move the lower steering shaft forwards/backwards a bit so something is up. Is there a steering shaft shim kit available? 
  I’m not a fabricator so don’t suggest I make my own :rolleyes:
 

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953 nut

Go to the Hillman cabinets and buy an assortment of 3/4" round shim washers and put in as many as needed to push the fan gear forward toward the pinion.

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Horse Newbie

Would this work with gear reduction steering on a 1994 520 H ?

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ebinmaine
9 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

Go to the Hillman cabinets and buy an assortment of 3/4" round shim washers and put in as many as needed to push the fan gear forward toward the pinion.

 

 

Seconded.  

 

 

@Sparky.  While you're in there, check the holes in the pillow block. If they are egged out, your repairs with washers are going to be limited.

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squonk

Make sure your steering block isn't cracked. Every tractor I've had that has done this has had a broken or cracked block. 

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953 nut
Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

Would this work with gear reduction steering on a 1994 520 H ?

As Mike pointed out it could be a cracked/broken steering support block.

If the play is between the fan gear and pinion it would.  If it is too bad you may have to remove the block, drill it out and put in a bushing but most times just bushing the fan gear will do the trick.  The shim washers go behind the steering block between the block and the roll pin/cotter key.

@cleat has pictures in his excellent thread.

 

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ebinmaine
18 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

Would this work with gear reduction steering on a 1994 520 H ?

 

4 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

As Mike pointed out it could be a cracked/broken steering support block.

If the play is between the fan gear and pinion it would.  If it is too bad you may have to remove the block, drill it out and put in a bushing but most times just bushing the fan gear will do the trick.  The shim washers go behind the steering block between the block and the roll pin/cotter key.

 

 

I can't find it right now but I saved a thread with some information done by either @cleat or Duke which would probably help a lot.  

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daveoman1966

Easy fix...  1883528306_STEER(12).JPG.6e9a563bffcb314e7ca30d637920d7ea.JPG

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kpinnc
48 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

Would this work with gear reduction steering on a 1994 520 H ?

 

The reduction steering fan mount usually has shims underneath it. 

 

If you don't see any under the fan mount, let me know. I have some that we can "copy" if you want to. 

 

 

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peter lena

@Sparky  , @953 nut @daveoman1966   AGREE ON THE HILLMAN flat washers , also use them on the front  wheel shimming , eliminate the  side shucking / slamming,  green grease , solid  smooth  zero play . pete  

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Sparky
45 minutes ago, squonk said:

Make sure your steering block isn't cracked. Every tractor I've had that has done this has had a broken or cracked block. 

Yeah. Haven’t inspected anything to be honest, just might be a busted steering block. 

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Lee1977
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I have seen under size cotter pins used all worn and bent causing loose connection with the steering gear.  

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kpinnc

The upper steering shaft lock collar can be the source as well. It holds the small gear down onto the lower support. If there is any space above the lock collar, the gears will skip. 

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peter lena

@Lee1977  amazing to me on almost any connection point , there is a basic flaw of  operational function , remember writing to wheel horse as a new customer  , asking  if they could spare the washers  in connection areas  ?  have also read that the brothers were notoriously  cheap , and penny pinched every ware .  of course a moving production line , consumes vast amounts of  , finish connections , when its brandy new , little to complain about , but as it settles in , its showing you , missed steps . many of the corrections I have made , were detailing in a  sloppy connection spot , just watching IT  , TRYING TO WORK , shows you the , correction spot . EXAMPLE ? , how about that sloppy  PTO LEVER STARTING POINT ?  with a  washer fill in , and lube , its solid , easy smooth , add a heim joint  at  end swivel , its effortless , buzzing  connections ? more often than not , a connection spring , assures ,quiet pull back  on sloppy area , of course lubrication , in a dry rusty spot, enhances operation  , regular set up for me , pete

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ri702bill
5 hours ago, Lee1977 said:

 

I have seen under size cotter pins used all worn and bent causing loose connection with the steering gear.  

I usually replace steering roll pins with coiled pins. Some extreme cases required going up to the next size ( hole and pin) to fix the issue.

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Sparky

 Steering block was solid with no cracks. Closer inspection showed the cotter pin almost completely worn thru (what was left of it is circled in red).  
Pictures 2 & 3 show how much front to back slop the lower steering shaft had. 
  Added one thick and one thin shim and a new cotter pin and she’s good as new! 
 

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squonk

@Sparky  Is that engine mounting bolt loose ?

 

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Sparky
34 minutes ago, squonk said:

@Sparky  Is that engine mounting bolt loose ?

 

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Hmmm…good eye Mike! The 308 is still in the garage so I’ll have to crawl back under and see 

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squonk

All that work and you didn't even "disturb the grease!" :hilarious: :teasing-poke:

 

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953 nut
15 hours ago, squonk said:

didn't even "disturb the grease!"

That ain't grease, it is rustproofing material.                             :ROTF:

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Sparky

@squonk

  Tuned out BOTH the bolts holding the engine mounting plate (rear) were loose! 

  Thanks again…

 

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ebinmaine
14 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

That ain't grease, it is rustproofing material.                             :ROTF:

 

 

This is what we call "technically correct"

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squonk
39 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

That ain't grease, it is rustproofing material.                             :ROTF:

If that's the case Fiat's would never rust

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pfrederi
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None of my tractors large or small rust on the bottoms :-)

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