stvski80085 32 #1 Posted January 30 Hello everyone, I’m looking through my b80 manuals and parts list. Does anyone have a list of common bolts and nut sizes to these tractors? I could figure it out one by one but wanted to grab the most common so as I start tearing into it I have some on hand. The manual has many listed as HHCS or something. Just thought I would ask. Be nice if a vendor made some kits of common ones but I get the volume wouldn’t be high. I will get some pics posted soon. Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,976 #2 Posted January 30 3/8 by varying lengths over an inch, and the same with 1/2 inch bolts. All course threads. Grab some nylock nuts to go with both sizes, maybe half as many as bolts. There are other sizes scattered about, but these two are most common. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stvski80085 32 #3 Posted January 30 (edited) Thanks. Thats what I was like looking for. I have busted a couple already. Just taking things apart to clean it up. I want to replace many as I go. Steve Edited January 30 by stvski80085 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,665 #4 Posted January 30 1/4 - 20 is another common size. Many times the IPL has the size listed. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,168 #5 Posted January 30 HHCS = hex head cap screw Cap screw = common industry name for a bolt with a head 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 69,413 #6 Posted January 30 Fasteners are an expense when restoring and repairing machines that's oft forgotten and can add up quickly. Spend an hour making a gridded list or even a spreadsheet and you'll save that hour and more later knowing you have what you need. You will also save money buying in bulk instead of piece by piece. I'd also add some 5/16-18 to the above mentioned sizes. I've talked to Trina here about making up a list a few times in the past. @Maz91 @Rob J. and @OldWorkHorse have all brought it up to us because we've restored so many Horses and we maintain our other equipment. We keep an organized assortment of Grade 8 here. Our sizes range from 1/4-20 x 1/2" up to 3/8-16 x 1 1/2". Be prudent on purchase location. I've stopped buying at TSC and any larger box stores. The quality is average at best and the pricing has gone way high. My experience shows me your best place of purchase is Bolt Depot in Hingham MA. Online order. Pricing is super low. Customer service is top notch. Purchase "bag/box quantity" and their discount is excellent. The Grade 8 is barely more expensive than Grade 5 and the strength difference is quite a bit. Grade 8 can be had in a Yellow zinc or plain or black in some sizes. I buy the yellow so I can differentiate them easily. 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ri702bill 8,650 #7 Posted January 30 (edited) And plow cutting edge carriage bolts need to be dead soft to be able to shear. Don't forget you need a 5/8" socket for the rear lugs... And a BFH to remove steering wheels!!! Uncommon fasteners, like the shifter dog-piont 1/4-20 setscrew can be ordered from McMaster Carr. Edited January 30 by ri702bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Retired Wrencher 5,572 #8 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, ebinmaine said: Fasteners are an expense when restoring and repairing machines that's oft forgotten and can add up quickly. Spend an hour making a gridded list or even a spreadsheet and you'll save that hour and more later knowing you have what you need. You will also save money buying in bulk instead of piece by piece. I'd also add some 5/16-18 to the above mentioned sizes. I've talked to Trina here about making up a list a few times in the past. @Maz91 @Rob J. and @OldWorkHorse have all brought it up to us because we've restored so many Horses and we maintain our other equipment. We keep an organized assortment of Grade 8 here. Our sizes range from 1/4-20 x 1/2" up to 3/8-16 x 1 1/2". Be prudent on purchase location. I've stopped buying at TSC and any larger box stores. The quality is average at best and the pricing has gone way high. My experience shows me your best place of purchase is Bolt Depot in Hingham MA. Online order. Pricing is super low. Customer service is top notch. Purchase "bag/box quantity" and their discount is excellent. The Grade 8 is barely more expensive than Grade 5 and the strength difference is quite a bit. Grade 8 can be had in a Yellow zinc or plain or black in some sizes. I buy the yellow so I can differentiate them easily. Your up early this morning Eric! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 69,413 #9 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Retired Wrencher said: Your up early this morning Eric! Yes sir I was Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,665 #10 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Retired Wrencher said: Your up early this morning Eric! 12 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: Yes sir I was Early bird gets the bolt ... 1 hour ago, Retired Wrencher said: Fasteners are an expense Yes they are especially when one does a resto/refresh in stainless as @Achto and I have been known to do. Even with Dan's fringe benefits on fasteners from work it can easily add 100 to a project. My first resto, a 1067, I did it in all stainless allen heads. A leftover fetish from my HD bike building days. Don't tell her what I have in hardware for this one. 2 7 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stvski80085 32 #11 Posted January 30 (edited) Thanks everyone. A restore may come later but I am pulling some of the sheet metal off and using the flood on them for now to stop the rust from getting any worse. It's just surface level right now. Want to go in with new bolts because I am going to be using this thing for plowing snow and grass cutting. I am just getting everything mechanically sound and stopping rust for now. I kind of like the used petina but all painted up looks good too. This may get me started. https://www.amazon.com/318pcs-Bolts-Assortment-Hex-Washers/dp/B0BCWMHBGD/ref=asc_df_B0BCWMHBGD?mcid=22d9411875af377ba3dae422478d293c&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693340177858&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7965959235047751582&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9022933&hvtargid=pla-1944594552373&th=1 Steve Edited January 30 by stvski80085 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 56,548 #12 Posted January 30 (edited) The Illustrated Parts List (IPL) for your tractor doesn't show the length for the Hex Head Cap Screws so I went back a couple of years and found that 1974 B-80 has the sizes lister for you. It is the same tractor for all intents and purposes and will provide the information you are seeking, it even calls them bolts. Edited January 30 by 953 nut 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 69,413 #13 Posted January 30 (edited) 51 minutes ago, stvski80085 said: This may get me started That's a good price for what it is and it would give you a holder for the future. Having an organized bolt tray is excellent. Meant to say in my earlier post that if you're going to use Nylock nuts, and you should, make sure you account for the extra length on the bolt when purchasing. Edited January 30 by ebinmaine 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,957 #14 Posted January 30 39 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: Meant to say in my earlier post that if you're going to use Nylock nuts, and you should, make sure you account for the extra length on the bolt when purchasing. In the smaller diameters, Nylocs run ⅛ to 3/16” taller than regular nuts; at ½” they can be ¼” taller. Normally I swap out the lock washer for a flat washer under the nut. When buying washers, note the difference between USS and SAE in overall and hole diameters and choose according to the situation I use Bolt Depot regularly and am very satisfied. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 10,035 #15 Posted January 30 You might compare that assortment to Bolt Depot which is going to have a better quality product. My experience is the plating on the Chineseum products rust through quickly. Also, 99% of the bolts on your tractor are grade 5 and some may even be grade 3. The only bolts that I know are grade 8 are the engine head bolts, and they are torqued so low that even a grade 5 could be used there. There's no reason to go to a grade 8 bolt. The day you twist off a grade 8 bolt, you'll wish you were drilling out a grade 5. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ri702bill 8,650 #16 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Handy Don said: When buying washers, note the difference between USS and SAE in overall and hole diameters and choose according to the situation And don't forget the Metric sized washers too..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 69,413 #17 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, oliver2-44 said: There's no reason to go to a grade 8 bolt. The day you twist off a grade 8 bolt, you'll wish you were drilling out a grade 5. For most of us I would second that. Definitely a good point. We switched over to using grade 8 because our terrain is really rough and we work our tractors. There's a lot of twisting and flexing in the frame to all the joints involved such as transmission, front axle, attach-o-matic points. I had gotten so that some of our older original or inexpensive low-grade bolts were wearing off and in some cases snapping and falling out. Other cases just becoming exceedingly loose. Grade 8 gives us the capability of having a higher torque for a better squeeze of two pieces of metal between the bolt head and nut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lane Ranger 11,060 #18 Posted January 30 (edited) When redoing an RJ Wheel Horse the last three or four I have ordered all my new bolts, washers and nuts from BoltDepot.com as they do an excellent job of labeling, packing and shipping and are much more reasonable than hardware stores. The Wheel Horse RJ manual has the bolts and fasteners listed in the manual. Like Eric says -make a good list of all the bolts, washers, nuts and fasteners before you make your order. BoltDepot.com has various grades of their items . Edited January 30 by Lane Ranger 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 69,413 #19 Posted January 30 21 minutes ago, Lane Ranger said: When redoing > various models of < Wheel Horse Ya know... Maybe it's about time we pooled our list of knowledge and came up with quantities to order for such and such models. We've done it on transmission axles and the New to the Herd Checklist. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 10,035 #20 Posted January 30 (edited) 9 hours ago, ebinmaine said: Ya know... Maybe it's about time we pooled our list of knowledge and came up with quantities to order for such and such models. We've done it on transmission axles and the New to the Herd Checklist. I’m almost finished with a hardware list for the 1960/ 61 Suburbans. I’ve also started on the c1xx. And c1x1 list. Edited January 31 by oliver2-44 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 69,413 #21 Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, oliver2-44 said: I’m almost finished with a hardware lift for the 19)0, 61 Suburbans. I’ve also started on the c1xx. And c1x1 list. Those C1xx lists would carry backwards too. Many of the rigs from 1965 up would use all the same fasteners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 18,102 #22 Posted January 30 When you live a long way from the hardware store and have military vehicles and big tractors in addition to WHs Top of pic 1 is NC 1/4 -7/16 2" and below Bottom is NF Gr8 and Stainless and Galvanized (One red drawer is my entire metric selection ) Pic 2 Yellow bins NC 1/4" to 1/2 " longer than 2 inches Lower level NC 5/8" to 1" (and extras for the drawers) 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,976 #23 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, ebinmaine said: Maybe it's about time we pooled our list of knowledge and came up with quantities to order for such and such models. We've done it on transmission axles and the New to the Herd Checklist. My thoughts on the original question was Tractor Supply sells fasteners by the pound. I regularly grab a couple pounds of whatever size I might need. Like @WHX?? and @Achto I typically use stainless in certain spots as well. Especially on engine tins and tractor sheet metal. Those I just buy when I find a sale. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 69,413 #24 Posted January 30 10 minutes ago, kpinnc said: Tractor Supply Up around me their prices have been getting higher and higher. We buy certain things from them. And I will continue to do so. But Hardware has never been a great bargain. Not to mention the fact that it looks like a tornado and a cyclone were having an argument in the bolt aisle half the time.... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horsin'round 141 #25 Posted January 30 2 hours ago, ebinmaine said: 2 hours ago, Lane Ranger said: When redoing > various models of < Wheel Horse Ya know... Maybe it's about time we pooled our list of knowledge and came up with quantities to order for such and such models. We've done it on transmission axles and the New to the Herd Checklist. I second that! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
