520 snowplow angle arm

[dkg520 520]

For those of you who snowplow with a 520 having Matt’s foot control. How do you keep the angle arm from hitting the foot controls?  Any pictures would be appreciated.  Thank you

[Ed Kennell 39,443]

I don't have Matts pedal...I made my own design.    But these pics of the lever on my 312H may give you some ideas.     Using the offset lever with spacers gives me the ability to precisely move the upper lever left to right to miss the pedal and the linkage.    I also use a cable with guides in place  of a solid wire to pull the angle pin.     It is close.

 

[cleat 6,791]

My blade came missing the turn handle so I made my own.

I copied the Xi series turn handle design that sort of works as a tube inside a tube with the cable passing inside.

The flat bar and tubing is bent in a way that goes out and around the foot pedals.

 

Here are my plans for all the parts required that I drew up as I was building it.

Snow blade turn handle overview.pdf

 

[peter lena 8,933]

@dkg520  staring right at you  , see it ? your squeeze lever point , is on the wrong side , for quadrant . slide pin , movement , you have little to no , slide pin spring , compression , have mine set at other end of squeeze , movement start . instant  / full  spring compression , plow immediately swings with , lubricated ease .  also on that lever rod , lower mount point / swing lever , another  movement opportunity ? both have regular bolts / nuts , changing over to a smooth swing , shoulder bolt , flat washers and elastic lock nut , lets you dial in a very smooth / solid , lubricated swing , movement point . experimented with changes as I set it up , every time I ELIMINATED A  TIGHT MOVEMENT SPOT ,  for a dial it in , elastic  lock nut , washer / lubricated , it was solid / very smooth / easy . only suggestion's  , just about any time I see  another horse / plow set up , the same rusty / dragging , squeeze lever set up , is regular  deal , trying to get it to function is , a joke , pete  

[peter lena 8,933]

 @cleat  like your mod,s  , ideas , also noting the full squeeze lever  starting point  , that quadrant  compression spring , is the king pin , of  movement start ,think your , plow frame  slide pin , hold point , could easily be enhanced , with a welded in size to size , pipe sleeve welded into that bolt on bracket ,  that bolt on would make it an easy  trial stage , allowing that down guide to slide easily into a welded pipe , nipple , think it would  over power , any  issue , just how I look at it , pete  

[rmaynard 15,765]

I quoted you and added this on the Matt's Foot Pedal thread. 

 

https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/106794-matt’s-foot-control/?do=findComment&comment=1211209

[cleat 6,791]

1 hour ago, peter lena said:

 @cleat  like your mod,s  , ideas , also noting the full squeeze lever  starting point  , that quadrant  compression spring , is the king pin , of  movement start ,think your , plow frame  slide pin , hold point , could easily be enhanced , with a welded in size to size , pipe sleeve welded into that bolt on bracket ,  that bolt on would make it an easy  trial stage , allowing that down guide to slide easily into a welded pipe , nipple , think it would  over power , any  issue , just how I look at it , pete  

Well, it's worked flawlessly since 2016 so I think it is good to go.

The handle slides into the bracket and pivots on that pipe on pipe connection.

 

[Bob Bauer 27]

11 hours ago, Ed Kennell said:

I don't have Matts pedal...I made my own design.    But these pics of the lever on my 312H may give you some ideas.     Using the offset lever with spacers gives me the ability to precisely move the upper lever left to right to miss the pedal and the linkage.    I also use a cable with guides in place  of a solid wire to pull the angle pin.     It is close.

 

Hey Ed when using the foot control frontwards and backwards how does it come back to the neutral position? I was thinking a spring but how do you get the same tension both ways?Thanks

[Ed Kennell 39,443]

1 hour ago, Bob Bauer said:

Hey Ed when using the foot control frontwards and backwards how does it come back to the neutral position? I was thinking a spring but how do you get the same tension both ways?Thanks

Mine does not stop at neutral Bob.   It is a spring loaded one pedal system.  Push down to go forward release pressure to go backwards.  With no neutral detent, it is probably considered unsafe by most,  but I have used it on three hydros ( eaton 1100s)  and I absolutely would not have anything else especially for snow removal.    I must point out that the left pedal is still fully functional and will pull the motion control pedal to neutral and apply the brake stopping the tractor as designed.  

 

You can see the accurate instant F / R motion control in this video.

 

 

[Bob Bauer 27]

9 hours ago, Ed Kennell said:

Mine does not stop at neutral Bob.   It is a spring loaded one pedal system.  Push down to go forward release pressure to go backwards.  With no neutral detent, it is probably considered unsafe by most,  but I have used it on three hydros ( eaton 1100s)  and I absolutely would not have anything else especially for snow removal.    I must point out that the left pedal is still fully functional and will pull the motion control pedal to neutral and apply the brake stopping the tractor as designed.  

 

You can see the accurate instant F / R motion control in this video.

 

 

Looks awesome,so when you plow forward and want to stop you just push the left pedal and that puts it in neutral and release the right pedal and once it stops, it automatically goes into reverse?

[Ed Kennell 39,443]

1 hour ago, Bob Bauer said:

Looks awesome,so when you plow forward and want to stop you just push the left pedal and that puts it in neutral and release the right pedal and once it stops, it automatically goes into reverse?

While operating the tractor, I actually control the entire forward/stop/reverse motion with the right foot and pedal.    I just wanted to be clear that the left pedal and it's neutral/brake function still works.

I only use the left pedal when I want to dismount or park the tractor.     Then it is necessary to use the left pedal and lock the parking brake to keep the right pedal in the neutral position.

It is also necessary to keep the parking brake locked for start up.

[Bob Bauer 27]

1 hour ago, Ed Kennell said:

While operating the tractor, I actually control the entire forward/stop/reverse motion with the right foot and pedal.    I just wanted to be clear that the left pedal and it's neutral/brake function still works.

I only use the left pedal when I want to dismount or park the tractor.     Then it is necessary to use the left pedal and lock the parking brake to keep the right pedal in the neutral position.

It is also necessary to keep the parking brake locked for start up.

Ok so when you are going forward and want to stop you only let up a certain amount to get to neutral and then let it up all the way and it then goes into reverse? If that is correct if your not careful and your foot was to slip off you would go into reverse?

[Ed Kennell 39,443]

3 minutes ago, Bob Bauer said:

Ok so when you are going forward and want to stop you only let up a certain amount to get to neutral and then let it up all the way and it then goes into reverse? If that is correct if your not careful and your foot was to slip off you would go into reverse?

Pretty close Bob.   Except I don't have to " let up all the way" to go into reverse.    The pedal is directly  connected to and operating the  factory motion control stick on the tunnel.

The stick and/ or pedal can be used to control the tractor motion.   There is a complete control of speed from stop to creep to full speed in forward and reverse.

You are correct , if you slip off the pedal or fall off the tractor, the spring will pull the motion control to reverse.    I should point out that the stick can be used to control the motion and the left pedal can be pushed to stop the tractor at any time.   When backing a trailer load of firewood into my garage and I am in a twisted position, I do find it is more comfortable to use the hand stick rather than the foot pedal.     You should also be aware this only works for tractors with the control stick on the tunnel.  I have it on my 312H, 417A, and '88 520H.

Again, I do not recommend it as it is considered unsafe by many.     For me, the complete motion control using only my right foot  frees my left hand for steering and lift control and right hand for blade angle control.

[Handy Don 12,862]

To my knowledge, none of the stock WH horizontal shaft engine hydros had a “dead man” style return to neutral. Let go of the lever (or, for the factory pedal option, lift your foot) and, if properly adjusted, the setting simply stays where you left it.

The 200 hydros are pedal motion controlled and do return to neutral on lifting one’s foot.

Edited January 14 by Handy Don

[Bob Bauer 27]

8 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said:

Pretty close Bob.   Except I don't have to " let up all the way" to go into reverse.    The pedal is directly  connected to and operating the  factory motion control stick on the tunnel.

The stick and/ or pedal can be used to control the tractor motion.   There is a complete control of speed from stop to creep to full speed in forward and reverse.

You are correct , if you slip off the pedal or fall off the tractor, the spring will pull the motion control to reverse.    I should point out that the stick can be used to control the motion and the left pedal can be pushed to stop the tractor at any time.   When backing a trailer load of firewood into my garage and I am in a twisted position, I do find it is more comfortable to use the hand stick rather than the foot pedal.     You should also be aware this only works for tractors with the control stick on the tunnel.  I have it on my 312H, 417A, and '88 520H.

Again, I do not recommend it as it is considered unsafe by many.     For me, the complete motion control using only my right foot  frees my left hand for steering and lift control and right hand for blade angle control.

Nice setup that’s for sure and I was trying to watch your foot in your video but a little hard to see but looks like you know what you’re doing. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain it to me because I was trying to understand how that works and really like how you did that yourself. Thanks a lot Ed👍