Raider 10, 10 pinion lsd?

[Maxwell-8 4,307]

I am looking at buying a Belgium made Raider 10 6 speed.

 

Did some of them have the 10 pinion limited slip drive? 

Any way I can determine it has one without a tag number?

Looks like a decent machine, original light kit, dial a height, electric clutch.

[pfrederi 17,887]

Is there a short pipe nipple extension on the fill plug (left side of tranny)?  That would indicate a 10 pinion as WH figured it needed better lubrication in the gear drive trannies.

[Maxwell-8 4,307]

Seems like it doesn't have it, thanks for the tip. 

Nevertheless, it will be a good addition to the herd. 

Will post a picture when I pick it up this Friday.

 

Edit: After some research on the forum. I found there are two variants of the 10pinions transmissions: the 5060 (having the extension) and the 5071 used in the raider 10 en 12 in 1969 (not having the extension)

edit 2:

Are all 6 speeds limited slip?

Edited Monday at 10:57 PM by Maxwell-8

[953 nut 55,837]

All limited slip transaxles have 1 1/8" axles but not all transaxles with 1 1/8" are limited slip. All transaxles with 1" axles have an open differential.

1 hour ago, Maxwell-8 said:

I found there are two variants of the 10pinions transmissions: the 5060 (having the extension) and the 5071 used in the raider 10 en 12 in 1969

The 5060 has aluminum end plates on the differential and the 5071 has steel end plates.

[Handy Don 12,470]

2 hours ago, Maxwell-8 said:

Seems like it doesn't have it, thanks for the tip. 

Nevertheless, it will be a good addition to the herd. 

Will post a picture when I pick it up this Friday.

 

Edit: After some research on the forum. I found there are two variants of the 10pinions transmissions: the 5060 (having the extension) and the 5071 used in the raider 10 en 12 in 1969 (not having the extension)

edit 2:

Are all 6 speeds limited slip?

The service manual for the transmissions seems to imply that both 5060 and 5071 had the extension--both would have needed the extra depth of gear oil since they are the same except for for the diff endplates that @953 nut noted. Quite a few threads here discussing what to expect (and not to expect) from LSD!

 

Another potential indicator is to put the trans in neutral and jack up the rear end. Then manually slowly turn one rear wheel. If it’s an LSD in good condition, the opposite wheel will turn in the same direction instead of the opposite direction as it does for an open diff or a weak LSD.

[Lee1977 6,804]

My 1971 Raider 12 has a limited slip a 6073. It doesn't have the pipe nipple on the left side. You model number should be centered under the dash. 

[Handy Don 12,470]

12 hours ago, Lee1977 said:

My 1971 Raider 12 has a limited slip a 6073. It doesn't have the pipe nipple on the left side. You model number should be centered under the dash. 

The 5073 had a dipstick, right? The earlier models did not.

[Lee1977 6,804]

1 minute ago, Handy Don said:

The 5073 had a dipstick, right? The earlier models did not.

No, It has a pipe nipple on top with a pipe cap.

 

 

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[Handy Don 12,470]

2 minutes ago, Lee1977 said:

No, It has a pipe nipple on top with a pipe cap.

I could easily be wrong, but I’ve never seen an unmodified UniDrive with a top opening that didn’t have a dipstick in it.

[Lee1977 6,804]

The "Toro Parts Drawings" is working again.  I check  the transmission parts list on my tractor (1-0310). It listed a no. 6155 Dipstick, a no. 1243 cup plug. a no. 943460 allen plug, 

and another 943420 plug.  1/2" close nipple, and a 1/2" pipe coupling. I got the tractor in Feb. 2023. and it has the plug and no dipstick. As Wheel Horse used what they had on hand other 71 models could have had the dipstick.. Mine has the 1/2 nipple and coupling with hex head plug.

[Handy Don 12,470]

10 minutes ago, Lee1977 said:

The "Toro Parts Drawings" is working again.  I check  the transmission parts list on my tractor (1-0310). It listed a no. 6155 Dipstick, a no. 1243 cup plug. a no. 943460 allen plug, 

and another 943420 plug.  1/2" close nipple, and a 1/2" pipe coupling. I got the tractor in Feb. 2023. and it has the plug and no dipstick. As Wheel Horse used what they had on hand other 71 models could have had the dipstick.. Mine has the 1/2 nipple and coupling with hex head plug.

Very cool that the parts list is alive again! Can you share the link you’re using?

The ½ nipple, coupling, and plug are exactly what would be on the lower left rear side of the transaxle housing. These would assure that the proper, higher oil level was maintained when the plug was opened. The Allen plug is on the underside and used for draining, of course. The dipstick would be on top of the transaxle in the right rear area. I’m wondering about the 1243 cup plug, for sure!

[Lee1977 6,804]

Mine are on top, just a plug on the side.

I'm using the "Redsquare Links" "The Toro Links" by nylyon -(Admin) May 26-2015

You'll have to get out of Christmas Theme, and I had to try a couple of times to get it to work.

Edited Tuesday at 06:45 PM by Lee1977

[stevasaurus 22,872]

You can count on this...IF your brake drum is on the Mushroom Gear shaft, (the hole closest to the rear axle) and it is an 6 speed, then it is a 10 pinion Limited Slip transmission.  It is either a 5060 or a 5071 and does not have a dip stick.

  The other Limited Slip transmission is the 5073.  This one does have a dipstick and the brake drum is on the cluster gear shaft.  The only exturnal way to tell if it is 8 or 10 pinions is to see if both wheels turn at the same time...put on ice with the front of the horse against a tree or post.  The 8 pinion differential had 4 bolts holding the differentrial together, the 10 pinion differential has 5 bolts holding the differential together.  

  One last thing, if you have 1" axles, it can be an 8 speed, but it only has a 4 pinion differential and is never a Limited Slip trans. 

   

[kpinnc 12,562]

22 hours ago, Maxwell-8 said:

Any way I can determine it has one without a tag number?

 

If you can jack the rear wheels up, just spin one wheel. If the opposite turns the same direction, it's a 10 pinion. If it turns the opposite direction, it is not LSD. 

Edited Tuesday at 08:28 PM by kpinnc

[953 nut 55,837]

On 12/23/2024 at 8:11 PM, Handy Don said:

Another potential indicator is to put the trans in neutral and jack up the rear end. Then manually slowly turn one rear wheel. If it’s an LSD in good condition, the opposite wheel will turn in the same direction instead of the opposite direction as it does for an open diff or a weak LSD.

 

4 hours ago, kpinnc said:

If you can jack the rear wheels up, just spin one wheel. If the opposite turns the same direction, it's a 10 pinion. If it turns the opposite direction, it is not LSD

                      

[Maxwell-8 4,307]

Thanks everyone, I just have a couple pictures from the seller. I wasn't really looking into another tractor, but I will take the gamble hoping it is a limited slip. 

The Belgium tractors do not always have the same specs as the US made tractors.

 

Going to pick up on Friday, I will renew my membership so I can post a couple pictures of it.

[kpinnc 12,562]

13 hours ago, 953 nut said:

Another potential indicator is to put the trans in neutral and jack up the rear end. Then manually slowly turn one rear wheel. If it’s an LSD in good condition, the opposite wheel will turn in the same direction instead of the opposite direction as it does for an open diff or a weak LSD

 

I'm gonna blame the new colors and font for not seeing your post!