** PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT! NAPA 1410 FILTERS**

[squonk 41,291]

@WHX?? was questioning the maker of the Napa 1410 transmission filter. I needed one for this 875 I acquired. It had an ancient red WH filter on it. Went to Napa. First thing I noticed was the box was plain cardboard and cheaply made. Instead of the old wax coated boxes they used to have. Now we all spout "Made in America!! I don't want any Chinesium and other such baloney. The next thing I notice is the label. "Contents Made in USA" Great!

 

 

I take it home and open the box. The next thing I notice is the filter isn't wrapped in cling wrap like almost all hydraulic filters are or used to be. Oh well. now I go to put some oil on the gasket and I notice this horrendous looking crimp job on the filter! 

 

 

Now compare it to a used 1410 that I had kicking around to flush a hydro if I ever needed to.

 

 

You can see the difference. The weird looking filter is on. We'll see. Next time I'm going to have to order a WIX and see what I get. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 9 by squonk

[WHX?? 49,129]

Did you ask yer counter boys if the Balwin thing is true? 

Sure doesn't look like the same filters or they went thru the same stamping dies. 

[squonk 41,291]

2 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

Did you ask yer counter boys if the Balwin thing is true? 

Sure doesn't look like the same filters or they went thru the same stamping dies. 

Nobody in that store would know. Trust me.

[EB-80/8inPA 1,666]

We’re in uncharted territory at this point, it seems.  I’m about to order another carb from isavetractors to replenish stock in anticipation of installing the one I had on hand that was manufactured in, I think, Taiwan?  These proposed tariffs will necessitate domestic manufacturing improvements, it seems, but I sure hope the transition is doable.  If not?  Oh well. It’s a huge question.  It’s sad to see a domestic outfit producing that low quality product.  Disheartening.  I remember when…

[JCM 9,322]

I recently picked up an AC Delco oil filter from a local Chevrolet Dealership for my 2500 HD. When the counter guy came out with it and handed me a new filter without a box I looked at him . he looked at me. I paid for it with no words spoken. At least you got a box.  SAD

[wallfish 17,078]

44 minutes ago, squonk said:

I notice this horrendous looking crimp job on the filter!

But, you got 2 more holes for the oil to pass through. (Yeah, shrinkflation also made them smaller too.)  LOL

[Handy Don 12,436]

To me, if it seals properly and the filtration works correctly for its expected lifetime, any elaboration on the innards is gilding the lily.

[EB-80/8inPA 1,666]

4 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

 is gilding the lily.

Now there’s an expression not often heard these days.

[squonk 41,291]

I change the oil in my C160 transmission every year. I do it right after the show. I'm going to cut the filter I take off and compare it to the pictures I took of one cut open years ago. Then at some point I will do the same with this new one.

[ri702bill 8,479]

28 minutes ago, EB-80/8inPA said:

Now there’s an expression not often heard these days.

Well... often heard here when Don stops by....!! 

[Bill D 1,932]

I see the Baldwin BT8486 crosses to the WIX 51410.  I believe it's made in the USA.  Maybe this would be a good option if the WIX filters are being made overseas.

[adsm08 2,170]

11 hours ago, JCM said:

I recently picked up an AC Delco oil filter from a local Chevrolet Dealership for my 2500 HD. When the counter guy came out with it and handed me a new filter without a box I looked at him . he looked at me. I paid for it with no words spoken. At least you got a box.  SAD

 

The dealers are sent oil filters in "sell packs". Basically its a large box with 12 filters in it, with dividers, and they are not packaged individually within the pack. It is rare to find individally packaged filters in a dealership parts department.

 

The only oil filters my place keeps in the individual packs is three FL-1A oil filters because I buy two a year for my own vehicles and we have a cooler flusher that uses it. That filter is otherwise obsolete. Anything we sell more than 12 in a year we keep in sell packs.

[WHX?? 49,129]

11 hours ago, squonk said:

Nobody in that store would know. Trust me

Can't find good help??

 

In case you guys didn't catch my other post ... 

 

Stopped at a NAPA today to try and cross the oil filter in anticipation of the first oil change. No dice no cross to a Napa gold or any other brand so it seems. 

 

Napa guy told me their filters are no longer supplied by WIX. He said WIX could not keep up with the demand so NAPA switched to Baldwin ... for some or all? ... of their filter requirements.  He also said all the part Nos changed. So a 1410 is no longer a 1410?  They changed to a longer number(s) but said the all NAPA's old numbers would easily cross, 

 

 

Anyone gets to their NAPA and has a knowledgeable  counter person ask about this and see if they can verify.

 

I'm gonna start looking for (decent) filters elsewhere after reading Squonkies pics. and the $27 I paid for a mini filter at NAPA for the missus's 14-38HLX Briggs. That and $$$$ for a HY filter for the log splitter. 

Edited November 9 by WHX??

[clueless 3,011]

Contents made in U.S.A. means it was assembled somewhere else (Mexico?) there's your problem. Just another company hustling us.

 

[squonk 41,291]

47 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

Can't find good help??

 

In case you guys didn't catch my other post ... 

 

 

Store got bought out years ago. When I was there, we had 4 guys counting me that knew the nuts and bolts of the Automotive, Industrial and Farm trade. Today the store is managed by a girl who knows how to look up stuff on the computer and manage inventory. Her Mother in Law works there  mainly keeping the shelves stocked, price labels up to date (PITA), Another girl (20's something) works on the counter. Maybe be some kind of relative / friend. Who knows? Boyfriend works on the counter too and probably knows the most but can be snarky. Another guy who owned a rival store that got bought out is there but he had some kind of health issue years ago and isn't as sharp as he used to be. And then there's Art. Art was a delivery driver in my day and well Art is Art. I always tell him "When you need a part, call Art and get the right part from the start!" He's another key pusher and kinda slow

 

I use Napa because I "used to know their product" I have NAPA Pro-link so I can look up stuff and check availability from home or my phone. The other 4 parts stores around here  are the same or worse.

 

And I'm not buying the "Wix couldn't keep up demand"  line. I'm sure somebody outbid Wix to Napa corporate and it's all about the Franklins. That 1410 cost me close to $20 a couple of years ago and now it's $14. Wix has plants all over the world making filters. I'm sure whoever is supplying them now does the same. Those 2 filters I mentioned in your ATV thread one was made in Vietnam the other in China. Could be multiple suppliers involved. 

Edited November 9 by squonk

[Bill D 1,932]

I've also seen Zinga filters for sale at Surplus Center.  They appear to be made in the USA.  Not sure what crosses to a 1410.  I'll probably just continue to order the WIX 51410 from Rock Auto and hope for the best.

[BuffaloD200 43]

NAPA Nerd here.

 

WIX was bought by Mann & Hummel several years ago and Mann & Hummel could not keep up with the volume.  

So, here's where it get's fun:

 

Southern, Eastern, Mid-Atlantic Divisions

SFI ProFormer Brand: Manufactured by Premium Guard, Inc.

FIL NAPA Gold Brand:

-Light Duty/Automotive: Manufactured by Premium Guard, Inc.

-Heavy Duty Fluid Filters: Manufactured by Baldwin Filters

-Heavy Duty Air & Cabin: Manufactured by Donaldson Filtration

*Note: Mann+Hummel will continue to supply HFI/Hydraulic Filters and MAN/MANN Filters.

 

Western, Mid-West Divisions

SFI ProFormer Brand: Manufactured by Premium Guard, Inc.

FIL NAPA Gold Brand: Manufactured by Mann+Hummel

 

NAPA's filter game is not what it used to be.

[rick 235]

Thanks for the info, Buffalo D200!

[Wayne0 505]

On 12/3/2024 at 2:52 PM, BuffaloD200 said:

NAPA Nerd here.

 

WIX was bought by Mann & Hummel several years ago and Mann & Hummel could not keep up with the volume.  

So, here's where it get's fun:

 

Southern, Eastern, Mid-Atlantic Divisions

SFI ProFormer Brand: Manufactured by Premium Guard, Inc.

FIL NAPA Gold Brand:

-Light Duty/Automotive: Manufactured by Premium Guard, Inc.

-Heavy Duty Fluid Filters: Manufactured by Baldwin Filters

-Heavy Duty Air & Cabin: Manufactured by Donaldson Filtration

*Note: Mann+Hummel will continue to supply HFI/Hydraulic Filters and MAN/MANN Filters.

 

Western, Mid-West Divisions

SFI ProFormer Brand: Manufactured by Premium Guard, Inc.

FIL NAPA Gold Brand: Manufactured by Mann+Hummel

 

NAPA's filter game is not what it used to be.

All the European machinery at work had Mann filters  from the factory.

[WHX?? 49,129]

On 12/3/2024 at 1:52 PM, BuffaloD200 said:

NAPA's filter game is not what it used to be.

 I think this to be a true statement. 

 

Not sure who makes them but may just go back to the old 5990 if I can find them at a reasonable price. 

I know that's what @Achto always uses. 

[ebinmaine 68,205]

2 hours ago, WHX?? said:

may just go back to the old  

 

 

I did that verbatim. Found myself some NOS Wix filters online. Enough for a couple years of service anyway.

[953 nut 55,734]

The other day my favorite auto parts store had WIX filters on sale, Paid $9 and change each for a couple of 51410s. Made in USA and wrapped in sealed plastic, I would have gotten more but that was all they had in stock.         

[ebinmaine 68,205]

6 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

The other day my favorite auto parts store had WIX filters on sale, Paid $9 and change each for a couple of 51410s. Made in USA and wrapped in sealed plastic, I would have gotten more but that was all they had in stock.         

 

If it's true that they're no longer made in USA those would be NOS. 

 If you can get more at that price ... you certainly should.  

They're worth $20 or more each. 

 

 

 

[WHX?? 49,129]

23 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

Paid $9 and change

That's a good deal Richard ... what's your store? 

The camp 520 and the FEL are due so about to pull the trigger on some 5990s 14 apiece I thought was ok ... NOT ... 27 each for shipping  ... 

 

[953 nut 55,734]

10 hours ago, WHX?? said:

what's your store?

 

11 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

If it's true that they're no longer made in USA those would be NOS.

It was a local store called Parts City, they just have a couple other stores in the area. The sale seems to have been a manufacturer sponsored event and they are the only store in town that sells WIX filters.