Jason Miller 21 #1 Posted Wednesday at 06:53 PM My wheelhouse 856 has a bad solenoid. I can’t seem to find the one that is currently on it online. Need some help please. This is the current one. When I turn the switch i get nothing. I replaced the battery, have spark and can jump the solenoid and it starts but nothing when I turn the switch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Miller 21 #2 Posted Wednesday at 06:54 PM Forgot to say cant find this particular one one internet. All the numbers match except the -30 last 2 numbers not sure. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 66,829 #3 Posted Wednesday at 07:10 PM That tractor didn't have a solenoid as built so don't be concerned with getting correct/ matching numbers. It's a popular conversion. Most any solenoid with 2 big terminals and 1 small one will do fine. Old fords and jeeps used them. Big box stores may have a generic tractor one too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,368 #4 Posted Wednesday at 07:17 PM Be nice to get one simmilar so cables line up. Guessing you get 12 volts to the small terminal with the blue wire. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,539 #5 Posted Wednesday at 07:37 PM Nothing special. Is easier if studs are same size and location. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Miller 21 #6 Posted Wednesday at 07:50 PM Awesome! Thanks guys so much. Jason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ri702bill 8,183 #7 Posted Wednesday at 10:07 PM Most solenoids require a GOOD ground thru the mounting lugs, otherwise the pull-in coil with one wire will NOT work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 54,644 #8 Posted Wednesday at 11:25 PM Many of the solenoids you will find at auto parts or big box stores will have two big terminals and two small ones, here is how they hook up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 37,660 #9 Posted yesterday at 12:17 AM Jason, were you a Scout in St Johns UCC troop 35 ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 10,923 #10 Posted 19 hours ago You can pick up the style Ford used just about anyplace and what I usually use. But it's wired a bit different than the two small terminal solenoid Richard is referring to. The small terminals are marked I and S. The I terminal is a bypass and sends full voltage to the coil. Just ignore it and don't use it. The mounting bracket must be grounded for the coil to operate. 2 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 66,829 #11 Posted 19 hours ago @Racinbob. Neat info.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biged77 113 #12 Posted 11 hours ago 18 hours ago, ri702bill said: Most solenoids require a GOOD ground thru the mounting lugs Twice I have suspected a bad solenoid when it turned out to be a bad ground. At least on the 300-400 series models the solenoid is mounted using bolts and nuts that may not make good contact with the (supposedly) grounded sheet metal panel. I added a separate ground wire to one of the mounting bolts to correct this issue. Any time a bad solenoid is suspected first try connecting a jumper between one of the mounting bolts and the negagive battery terminal. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 66,829 #13 Posted 11 hours ago 7 minutes ago, biged77 said: . I added a separate ground wire to Excellent. When rewiring a tractor I add a separate ground wire for every circuit now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,368 #14 Posted 11 hours ago 7 hours ago, Racinbob said: The I terminal is a bypass and sends full voltage Here I thought that was a ground... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 10,923 #15 Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, WHX?? said: Here I thought that was a ground... It is on some of them. But I cringe when somebody is told that if your solenoid has two small terminals one is + and the other is -. Hook up a Ford solenoid like that and it becomes a fuse tester. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EB-80/8inPA 1,587 #16 Posted 7 hours ago Has anybody here ever tried opening one up to attempt a reconditioning? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 16,876 #17 Posted 6 hours ago 51 minutes ago, EB-80/8inPA said: Has anybody here ever tried opening one up to attempt a reconditioning? Yup, drill the rivets and open it up, clean the copper ring and contacts etc and put it back together using screws instead of rivets. If you have a bad one, open it up because you can't break it anymore than broken so there's nothing to loose (Except for a spring inside! LOL) 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EB-80/8inPA 1,587 #18 Posted 6 hours ago 53 minutes ago, wallfish said: If you have a bad one, open it up because you can't break it anymore than broken so there's nothing to loose (Except for a spring inside! That’s what I was thinking! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,368 #19 Posted 5 hours ago I opened one once just to check out the guts. Inquiring minds want to know. Then round filed it. I suppose if I was a strapped kid and needed to roll tho... open solenoid surgery it is... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EB-80/8inPA 1,587 #20 Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 38 minutes ago, WHX?? said: I opened one once just to check out the guts. Inquiring minds want to know. Then round filed it. I suppose if I was a strapped kid and needed to roll tho... open solenoid surgery it is... That thought, too, had occurred to me, but I have to try it for reasons I can’t explain. Curiosity, I suppose. Or maybe I’m just that cheap lol. Edited 5 hours ago by EB-80/8inPA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
