mrc 812 #1 Posted October 15 hello all, the seat mount cracked on my SIL's 414-8. no surprise they all do eventually. welded and ground the cracks. then fabbed some brackets which go on top of the seat mounts. should never have a problem again. 1 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ri702bill 8,311 #2 Posted October 15 Mike - did you weld them in place or just sandwich them in?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brockport Bill 1,661 #3 Posted October 15 sadly, there is this hoodstand design shortcoming in these horses -- i have used large washers for reinforcement for those with minor emerging cracks - others have been welded if repairable --- and others I went the full fix by installing fabricated overlay brackets -- i actually had the brackets produced ( thanks to copies from Bill D. ) by a local fabricator/welder shop and he put the design specs/images on his computer software so in future i can just have new added units made by him. Took them home then painted and installed - - have some temporary screws in for alignment - but will work well after tunnel plate is installed. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,604 #4 Posted October 15 @mrc nice finish on that ! https://www.google.com/search?q=anti+vibration+pads&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS866US866&oq=anti+vibration+pads&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyDAgAEEUYORixAxiABDIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABNIBCDkxNTRqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 have these on my seats slightly added height , and eliminated , that seat strain , cracking area . when setting up my seats for a gain / improvement , looking at it from the side to see what I could change / add , thats what gave me ideas and trial / error experiment . regularly look at a trouble spot , to look at INTENDED FUNCTION , then improve things to make it better , pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brockport Bill 1,661 #5 Posted October 15 4 minutes ago, peter lena said: @mrc nice finish on that ! https://www.google.com/search?q=anti+vibration+pads&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS866US866&oq=anti+vibration+pads&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyDAgAEEUYORixAxiABDIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABNIBCDkxNTRqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 have these on my seats slightly added height , and eliminated , that seat strain , cracking area . when setting up my seats for a gain / improvement , looking at it from the side to see what I could change / add , thats what gave me ideas and trial / error experiment . regularly look at a trouble spot , to look at INTENDED FUNCTION , then improve things to make it better , pete do you have any photos of the install and use on the seats? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,604 #6 Posted October 15 @Brockport Bill don't have any installation pictures , just finished set ups , all similar after dialing in my best comfortable set up , , I also have hi back seats on my 3 horses , for back support . pete , Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,604 #7 Posted October 15 @Brockport Bill numerous changes / improvements , once done , made similar mods to the others . really opened up leg to wheel issue , thats one spot , just switched locations , added back end spring support , all seats fit INSIDE OF THE FENDER END EDGE . that was another common / complaint that I encountered . done many mods , basically improving original set up , to my liking , cant even see it . pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrc 812 #8 Posted October 15 ri702 bill, just sandwiched them in 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brockport Bill 1,661 #9 Posted October 15 love the heavy duty springs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrc 812 #10 Posted October 15 hi brockport bill, i used angle iron because it is what i had on hand. plus i do not have a sheetmetal brake. how much per pair from your fab guy? does he have some for the hydo's as well? i think they may be a tad different. thank you mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brockport Bill 1,661 #11 Posted October 16 Hi Mike -- the units i used on the 416-8 are same as those i used on 314h - there are some subtle differences for the wh design of the tunnel/hoodstand ( cut outs - slots ) -- however, the set in photos on the 416-8 are modeled after the set on the 314h - I do not recall exact $$ price i paid but the first set in these circumstances always cost more because it included his set up of the graphic images on his computer software - I have not asked him a cost to reproduce because I ordered 2 sets for his first production and have not needed additional. If you are considering buying some i will ask him his fee to produce? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrc 812 #12 Posted October 16 yes i am considering buying some. please ask for price. they look like heavy sheetmetal. any idea what gage? they look well made Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brockport Bill 1,661 #13 Posted October 16 30 minutes ago, mrc said: yes i am considering buying some. please ask for price. they look like heavy sheetmetal. any idea what gage? they look well made it will be a couple days before i can get to his shop -- are you in a rush? Not sure the guage he used - - i will ask? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill D 1,916 #14 Posted October 16 I've made several sets using 2" x 1 1/2" angle steel. 1/8" thick. Made mine from old bedframe steel. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrc 812 #15 Posted October 16 brockport bill, no rush. appreciate your help. Bill D, i made mine from 2 x 2 x 1/8 inch angle iron. nothing wrong with old bed frames. use what you got! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,303 #16 Posted October 16 1 hour ago, mrc said: nothing wrong with old bed frames. use what you got! Bed frames are usually much stronger steel than what you will find at the local hardware store. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,604 #17 Posted October 16 @mrc ,@ lynnmor @Bill D @Brockport Bill , major reason for failure is the very end of a bracket , that seat set up is always fighting against a seat ride / mount point , also heavy rider , constantly moving around , learned long ago to over build . any possible metal flex railure point . also like channel steel , for bombproof , upgrades . those seat frame end bolt on compression springs , also help , just look up BOLT ON COMPRESSION SPRINGS , inside hold curl is made for bolt hold . rarely ever revert back to the same failure , with the same set up , the springs absorb stress cracking issue , easily worth a test run , paint it red or black and you can't see it , pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,604 #18 Posted October 16 @mrc https://www.amazon.com/JMCHstore-Reinforced-Coleman-CT200UEX-HS200-3/dp/B0D1MN2545/ref=asc_df_B0D1MN2545/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=703329354466&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5032875597517384969&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1018127&hvtargid=pla-2318902294286&psc=1&mcid=e36ffa6b4aab35eaba30cda3661e27c2 just some seat spring ideas , might even have some at local H/W store . pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnymag3 2,517 #19 Posted October 16 9 hours ago, Brockport Bill said: it will be a couple days before i can get to his shop -- are you in a rush? Not sure the guage he used - - i will ask? they are bedframe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 6,655 #20 Posted October 16 The other place that usually needs repair on 300 and 400 series is the upper steering support. The bushing get loose from using the steering wheel when getting on or off. I used a Toro 6472 flange bearing, some have used flanged ball bearing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
