Unbelievable

[pfrederi 17,739]

I know quality control on Chinese carbs is not great.  I borrowed an inlet elbow from one I had on the shelf to put on the Kohler #30 I have been overhauling.  Got her mounted and started cranking saw gas shooting out at the muffler from the carb area. Checked it out, found a tiny hole in the elbow housing made a nice jet of fuel while cranking.  

 

 

[Handy Don 12,217]

Almost looks deliberate?!

[SylvanLakeWH 25,557]

 

Looks drilled... 

[peter lena 8,625]

@pfrederi  just about everything / anything coming from china , is not up to any speck .  think the car parts  I have seen at my friends shop , are downright scary , getting  anything to day , auto related  , is some crude example of what it should be .  they have a long list of brands that they totally avoid . threading and any coupling is some very weird finished product . re check and verify  anything you  replace , have really gone after the function  of anything  that I had a problem with , correct / improve , pete   

[WHX?? 48,815]

So if ther was a accident who would be liable??? 

[Mickwhitt 4,623]

I'm told there are some really advanced and excellent factories in China, turning out precision products with ease.

But there are also plenty of knock off merchants pumping out shoddy copies of anything and everything.  

Looks like you dropped on something in that line.

I bought a vernier caliper that was a very good replica of a Mitutoyo one. Virtually impossible to tell apart, but the materials were crap and the electronics were rubbish. The effort that went into tooling up to make that kind of copy must be substantial. Even the instructions and paperwork were identical.  

 

[Sailman 1,291]

I have a Yamaha 50 for the grand kids I bought used. Had trouble keeping it running so I set out to make adjustments. Both idle screw and main jet screw. Nothing I adjusted changed the way it ran. Took the carb off only to discover...the screws did NOT adjust anything... They were just for show. Took the bike to an indy shop where he put an OEM carb on it, said he refused to put a chinese carb on the bike.

[Handy Don 12,217]

3 hours ago, Mickwhitt said:

I'm told there are some really advanced and excellent factories in China, turning out precision products with ease.

But there are also plenty of knock off merchants pumping out shoddy copies of anything and everything.  

Exactly. Buyers' relentless focus on price (i.e. “have more for less”) has shifted the supply chain suppliers’ priorities. With few, if any, consumers bothering to understand and buy based on the specifications or standards, it is no surprise to me that it’s a race make stuff as cheaply as possible.

As fewer buyers added the high-spec OEM item to their cart at three to four times the price of the “import," the OEM parts market has become untenable for manufacturers.

Let he who never shops at Amazon, Walmart, Harbor Freight, etc. cast the first complaint.

[adsm08 2,056]

16 hours ago, WHX?? said:

So if ther was a accident who would be liable??? 

 

 

There is a hard and fast rule in the automotive repair industry. It doesn't matter who made the mistake, why something went wrong, or who made an unrealistic promise, it's the tech's fault.

[Horsin'round 78]

As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder.

John Glenn

[SylvanLakeWH 25,557]

4 minutes ago, Horsin'round said:

As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder.

John Glenn

 

And built by the lowest bidder... 

[Handy Don 12,217]

30 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

 

And built by the lowest bidder... 

Or, in a recent case, built by the priciest bidder but not able to make the round trip as promised.

[ri702bill 8,319]

7 hours ago, adsm08 said:

 

 

There is a hard and fast rule in the automotive repair industry. It doesn't matter who made the mistake, why something went wrong, or who made an unrealistic promise, it's the tech's fault.

My first Factory Automation Assembler position was at a place that had rather inexperienced Design Engineers and NO method in place to check the accuracy of the drawings prior to cutting metal..

I would have to ask for guidance as "Tab A" will not fit into "slot B"...repeatedly, that type of things. So I was labeled "The Bad Guy" by the upper staff. They would say "Well, we WERE on schedule & budget until YOU got your hands on it.... what happened?? Now we are not on either." I moved on a short time later to a more seasoned Company. I saw their liquidation sale posted in the Sunday Paper a year later..... 

Edited October 5 by ri702bill

[adsm08 2,056]

58 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

Or, in a recent case, built by the priciest bidder but not able to make the round trip as promised.

 

Boeings don't work in atmosphere. Not sure why we thought it was a good idea to take one out of the atmosphere.

[adsm08 2,056]

2 minutes ago, ri702bill said:

My first Factory Automation Assembler position was at a place that had rather inexperienced Design Engineers and NO method in place to check the accuracy of the drawings prior to cutting metal..

I would have to ask for guidance as "Tab A" will not fit into "slot B"...repeatedly, that type of things. So I was labeled "The Bad Guy" by the upper staff. They would say "Well' we WERE on schedule & budget until YOU got your hands on it.... what happened?? now we are not on either." I moved on a short time later to a more seasoned Company. I saw their liquidation sale posted in the Sunday Paper a year later..... 

 

I do not hold a high opinion of design engineers. Or technical writers. I put design engineers somewhere near the same intellectual level as the kid that takes your order at McDonald's. I see so many designs these days that probably seemed great on paper, but I take one look at the final product through the lens of 18 years of experience in the field (mostly fixing the engineer's mistakes) and say "That will never hold up to real world conditions".

 

Then just recently I submitted a SPECS case (a "Hey, you guys screwed up the instructions" note) to Ford over a service message they issued. It's for repeated water pump failures on the 1.5L 3-cyl. They weren't getting all the machining debris out of the water jackets and it's damaging the pumps, so they issued a message about it saying "flush out the cooling system, here's where the instructions for how we want it done are found in the manual. Go to this page and follow sets 1-8." Here's where it gets fun. Step 3 of the referenced procedure is to remove the radiator, but you don't put it back in until step 9. I pointed that out and it took them two weeks to respond with their hoighty-toighty version of "Huh, you're right".

[Mickwhitt 4,623]

12 hours ago, adsm08 said:

Boeings don't work in atmosphere. Not sure why we thought it was a good idea to take one out of the atmosphere.

Seriously, would you have wanted to fly back home in the Boeing? Me neither.

As mentioned they were given the most amount of money to develop the space craft and seem to have made a worse job of it.

Leaks in the fuel system are surely something that should be sorted in development, not on the first manned flight. 

It's easy to pick fault from the armchair but if more astronauts had been lost the fallout would have been very damaging.

 

Heard an interesting segment recently about the pollution caused by rocket launches, is it worse than air travel etc.

There were two views, one that space travel is pretty low compared to air travel so pollution is mathematically lower.

The other that aircraft only dump their exhaust within the lower atmosphere,  rockets spread carbon soot etc through the whole layers of atmosphere and so cause much more damage. You can guess who was the advocate and who was against all this rocket malarkey.

 

I found myself wondering if anyone has put their thinkerbox to the similar question of how much CO2 and pollution all these wars cause. Surely all the explosives, rocket fuel and so forth cause just as much damage to the environment as the industrial revolution etc.  Not to mention the waste munitionsthat have been dumped in the oceans and underground. But no one says stop the wars to help stop climate change.

[Damien Walker 246]

6 hours ago, Mickwhitt said:

Seriously, would you have wanted to fly back home in the Boeing? Me neither.

As mentioned they were given the most amount of money to develop the space craft and seem to have made a worse job of it.

Leaks in the fuel system are surely something that should be sorted in development, not on the first manned flight. 

It's easy to pick fault from the armchair but if more astronauts had been lost the fallout would have been very damaging.

 

Heard an interesting segment recently about the pollution caused by rocket launches, is it worse than air travel etc.

There were two views, one that space travel is pretty low compared to air travel so pollution is mathematically lower.

The other that aircraft only dump their exhaust within the lower atmosphere,  rockets spread carbon soot etc through the whole layers of atmosphere and so cause much more damage. You can guess who was the advocate and who was against all this rocket malarkey.

 

I found myself wondering if anyone has put their thinkerbox to the similar question of how much CO2 and pollution all these wars cause. Surely all the explosives, rocket fuel and so forth cause just as much damage to the environment as the industrial revolution etc.  Not to mention the waste munitionsthat have been dumped in the oceans and underground. But no one says stop the wars to help stop climate change.

May be we should send Ms Thunberg over to Moscow to explain to Mr Putin what a naughty boy he is for polluting the atmosphere with his  Special Military Operation!

[adsm08 2,056]

6 hours ago, Mickwhitt said:

Seriously, would you have wanted to fly back home in the Boeing?

 

 I wouldn't have wanted to take the right up in the Boeing.

 

I don't breathe water, and I don't breathe vacuum. I breathe air, and so that is where I'm gonna stay.

[Mickwhitt 4,623]

2 hours ago, Damien Walker said:

May be we should send Ms Thunberg over to Moscow to explain to Mr Putin what a naughty boy he is for polluting the atmosphere with his  Special Military Operation!

Maybe if we all spent a bit less on improving ways to kill people we would do better. 

Remember, Great Britain is taking heat now for starting the present climate problems with our industrial revolution. Maybe in the future we will acknowledge the impact of munitions on the planet.

But unfortunately there are always men who want that bit more power so we will carry on pretending that to keep the peace we need to prepare for war. When really we just want to play at wars.