Painting question ????

[Brockport Bill 1,668]

How long do i have to wait to put painters tape on freshly applied spray paint on a tractor tin?  I am doing a section of black next to red -- so need to use tape as a dividing border and apply tape to the freshly painted black to then be able to do the red --- so can i just wait 24 hrs for paint to dry to the touch to put painters tape on it  ----- or do i have to wait a few days or longer to apply painters tape?? I want to avoid ruining the fresh paint when i peel off the painters tape? Thanks

[ri702bill 8,387]

Using rattle can paint that has no hardener?? Safe bet - a month - seriously.

Did you also do a "spray out" on a sacrificial part?? If so, try that one first........

[ebinmaine 67,766]

44 minutes ago, ri702bill said:

Using rattle can paint that has no hardener?? Safe bet - a month - seriously.

Did you also do a "spray out" on a sacrificial part?? If so, try that one first........

 

 

Good advice. 

 

 

[953 nut 55,394]

Too many variables to give a one size fits all answer. What painting preparations were made? Did you paint over bare metal with a primer coat or did you go over existing paint? Was this a rattle can job or spray gun with catalyzed hardener? Was the humidity high or low? What does the paint manufacturer's website tell you (if anything)?

I would put the piece out in the sub to bake each day for at least a week before thinking about taping it off. You need to allow the majority of volatile organic compounds to off gas prior to covering paint with tape or decals, low heat will hasten the process.

[ri702bill 8,387]

40 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

low heat will hasten the process.

As in leave it out in the sun, but don't let the birds get near it...

[Sailman 1,291]

Can not speak to the question of "how long" but when you decide to do it, check with a parts store or home improvement store. There are less aggressive adhesive tapes available other than the standard painters tape.

[ri702bill 8,387]

What about automotive painters tape??

[rmaynard 15,535]

I'm in agreement with those who say 30 days. But even then, I've had paint lift. Automotive painters tape is no different than house painters tape. The difference is that auto painters are not using oil based paints. They use acrylic urethanes or similar. After 12 hours, the paint is ready to put into service. 

[Brockport Bill 1,668]

3 hours ago, 953 nut said:

Too many variables to give a one size fits all answer. What painting preparations were made? Did you paint over bare metal with a primer coat or did you go over existing paint? Was this a rattle can job or spray gun with catalyzed hardener? Was the humidity high or low? What does the paint manufacturer's website tell you (if anything)?

I would put the piece out in the sub to bake each day for at least a week before thinking about taping it off. You need to allow the majority of volatile organic compounds to off gas prior to covering paint with tape or decals, low heat will hasten the process.

thanks for advice -------- i waited to schedule for nice no wind, low 50 percent humidity day ----------- its a 90s era hood tin -- thus the red top with front black grill -- it had the paint from that era - thus i lightly sanded as I have been advised here to remove the "gloss" -- then washed and then used linen free white cloth -- Rather than use acetone for final cleaning I then used one of those paint prep sprays the paint stores sell -- waited one minute per instructions -- wiped spray with linen free cloth then used rattle can spray primer -- waited 1 hr per can instructions for primer to dry  -- then applied final coats of rustoleum red and black - its out in sun now hopefully curing per the instructions here from members

[squonk 41,171]

Applying Rustoleum Chrystal clear right over the final wet color coat speeds up the handling/drying time. done it for years but I can't say how tape would work as I haven't sprayed 2 colors. There are folks who will say doing this doesn't work but I've had no issues whatsoever. Must be them! 

[WildHorses 382]

Check this video out from VinsRJ on youtube. He does basically what you're describing and very quickly.

 

[Brockport Bill 1,668]

so the answer to my thread question of how long to wait to apply painters tape to just painted Tractor tins is 24 hrs -  I called PPG help line who were very informative -- then went to local Sherwin Williams paint store and the staff there also very helpful - so i bought a yellow Frog Tape product that's is specialized for applying to "fresh " paint -  - its labled "delicate" as you can see at top of label in photo attached - i put it on the black grill section i had painted the day prior having been advised to wait 24 hrs ---  however, label said it was for latex paint so to be sure the oil based Rustoleum would not go through the thin "delicate" tape - i put the blue Scotch brand tape on top of the Frog tape -- Feeling secure the delicate Frog tape would peel off without damage to the new spray paint from day prior - coupled with the blue tape on top to stop any bleed through - - i proceeded to spray the adjacent area -- The Frog tape came off easily and the grill black paint from day prior was perfect -- none of the red over spray leaked through ---- -- The hood photos show some sun reflection and nearby shadows but came out pretty good  - I will wait a few days for more curing to attach the new decals --- thanks for the advice on the above thread ...........  Bill

[ebinmaine 67,766]

6 hours ago, Brockport Bill said:

I will wait a few days for more curing to attach the new decals

 

If you're keeping the tractor you should really wait a full 2 months before applying decals. 

The paint will now be curing, not just drying. 

If it's a customer or for resale then obviously that's not realistic. 

[953 nut 55,394]

7 hours ago, Brockport Bill said:

I will wait a few days for more curing to attach the new decals

             Why didn't you remove the old decals prior to painting?

[Brockport Bill 1,668]

1 hour ago, 953 nut said:

             Why didn't you remove the old decals prior to painting?

i have a nice tool that attaches to my drill motor that peels off the old decals - its like a soft rubber disc -- i started to use it to peel off the one decal - - it works pretty effectively and does nice clean job -- does not damage paint below -- but its time consuming so i took new decals to test match them and they fit perfectly over old decals so that's what i will do  - just put new decal over old -- i have done that before and it looks fine. I actually did overlay decal on seat pan and it looks perfect ---- How do most people remove old decals?

[ebinmaine 67,766]

5 minutes ago, Brockport Bill said:

How do most people remove old decals?

 

I've done the disc removal like you describe. 

Also used a heat gun. The heat gun is a bit time consuming as well but after using a solvent to remove residual glues it gives a nice clean result. 

 

 

[c-series don 8,737]

On 8/23/2024 at 8:45 AM, ri702bill said:

As in leave it out in the sun, but don't let the birds get near it...

Good advice, I wish you had given that to me when I was restoring my C-175. Dead center in the wet primer. Unplugged the air hose from the gun and not 30 seconds later, there it was 😡

[Brockport Bill 1,668]

i did not have the bird poop but did have 2 little nat bugs stick in damp paint so i quickly moved it into garage until dry to avoid more bugs landing on it --- then took back outdoors to bake in sun --------------- of course if i tried to remove nats while still tacky it makes a worse smudge - - so waited till dry to pick those little devils out

[Brockport Bill 1,668]

Don -- i am not the pro artist you are - but here's the hood for my Series 2 from last year in 2023 -- then the final product C175 Series 2 -- I just keep try learning from RSq members the tips and tricks -  i did have this hood professionally sand blasted to get cleaned up before i used rattle cans to paint 

[Brockport Bill 1,668]

3 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

I've done the disc removal like you describe. 

Also used a heat gun. The heat gun is a bit time consuming as well but after using a solvent to remove residual glues it gives a nice clean result. 

 

 

here is a decal disc stripper i bought a few yrs ago and just used for first time - worked well -- it's used in drill motor - it's a soft rubber material - no paint damage

[ebinmaine 67,766]

On 8/24/2024 at 1:28 PM, Brockport Bill said:

here is a decal disc stripper i bought a few yrs ago and just used for first time - worked well -- it's used in drill motor - it's a soft rubber material - no paint damage

 

 

 

That's a neat piece.  Never seen the like.  

[JPWH 6,040]

I removed all the badge and trim adhesive from my 2000 Silverado with one wheel like shown above. 

[953 nut 55,394]

On 8/24/2024 at 9:33 AM, Brockport Bill said:

How do most people remove old decals?

Hair dryer and Goo Gone for me. Warm up the entire decal then start pulling while keeping the heat on. The Goo Gone works best if you soak a rag with it and lay it on the old adhesive for a few minutes first.

[SylvanLakeWH 25,618]

11 hours ago, 953 nut said:

Hair dryer and Goo Gone for me. Warm up the entire decal then start pulling while keeping the heat on. The Goo Gone works best if you soak a rag with it and lay it on the old adhesive for a few minutes first.

 

 

Strongly recommend not using wife's hair dryer though... 

 

 

 

[squonk 41,171]

18 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

 

That's a neat piece.  Never seen the like.  

They call them eraser wheels. Mine looks like this one

 

Edited August 26 by squonk