Big show tractor is done.

[Retired Wrencher 5,450]

This was at the big show this summer. This was going to be Sparky tractor but he found a better one. So he knows I am a big fan of these Sart/Gen tractors so I said yes. @Docwheelhorse Delivered it to me. So from then to now I have been working on it bringing  it back to a very useable condition. I did not like the vacuum pumps on these older K181 so I tried finding a mechanical one. It failed to many years sitting in box and forgotten about. So with the help of good members here they led me to electric fuel pump. Never had one. I have to say what a deference . It starts like BAMMMM or snap of your finger.  I am a fan of these now. Will buy more as time goes by. Hope you enjoy the picks.

Edited August 14 by Retired Wrencher

[stevasaurus 22,713]

I don't think you can beat a Short Frame Square Hood with a K-181-S for starting by snapping your fingers.    Both of mine start by looking at them...even in winter.  

[Retired Wrencher 5,450]

Thanks Steve! You are right.  But I need did a pump so that is where I am at. Hope you are well and enjoy the rest of the summer. Can not believe it is almost Fall.  

Edited August 14 by Retired Wrencher

[Handy Don 12,201]

12 minutes ago, stevasaurus said:

I don't think you can beat a Short Frame Square Hood with a K-181-S for starting by snapping your fingers.    Both of mine start by looking at them...even in winter.  

My early one with S/G and spark advance (pre-compression release) needs a strong battery to get it over the compression hump, but they do light off nicely!

[Retired Wrencher 5,450]

2 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

My early one with S/G and spark advance (pre-compression release) needs a strong battery to get it over the compression hump, but they do light off nicely!

Don to me it is the sound that gets me on start up. I like it.

[Handy Don 12,201]

20 minutes ago, Retired Wrencher said:

Don to me it is the sound that gets me on start up. I like it.

Oh for sure!

I’m also of a fan of the “grunt” as I go from the flat part of the lawn onto the steep-ish slope and the governor kicks in. I imagine it saying “Ok, I’ve got this"

[stevasaurus 22,713]

@Handy Don, if you are having trouble with the ACR...it is a weak spring in that mechanism and is probably broken.  Bad thing, you have to open the engine to see and fix it.  It's worth it...you can then look at your K-181-S and it will start.   

 

You can bearly see the spring...look at the post on the far right...it is wrapped around that and goes out and grabs the two centrics.  It looks like a hair in the picture, but this is what makes the ACR work.

 

[stevasaurus 22,713]

 

@Retired Wrencher, could you post the model numbers of the pump and anything else you needed to buy to set that up??  Getting those gaskets for the old pumps is getting hard to find, I just want to be able to make it work as parts get harder to replace for these old machines.  Thanks  

 

[Handy Don 12,201]

1 hour ago, stevasaurus said:

if you are having trouble with the ACR

The only trouble I’m having with ACR is that my engine pre-dates it! It has spark advance which seems to work as designed. 

I wouldn’t be averse to having a later S/G K181 with ACR, though. 

Edited August 14 by Handy Don

[stevasaurus 22,713]

@Handy Don  sorry, for some reason I was thinking the pre- Compresion Release was with the 7 hp Kohlers.  Just trying to help. 

[adsm08 2,046]

@Retired Wrencher Care to give some details on that e-pump?

 

My K181 has been slow to start lately and I blame the long periods between use and having to get the fuel moving again.

[ebinmaine 67,391]

3 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

 

@Retired Wrencher, could you post the model numbers of the pump and anything else you needed to buy to set that up??  Getting those gaskets for the old pumps is getting hard to find, I just want to be able to make it work as parts get harder to replace for these old machines.  Thanks  

 

 

12 minutes ago, adsm08 said:

@Retired Wrencher Care to give some details on that e-pump?

 

My K181 has been slow to start lately and I blame the long periods between use and having to get the fuel moving again.

 

There are several that work. 

 

Facet 60245 or 60304

Mr. Gasket 42s

Carter P4070

 

I believe @Retired Wrencher used the Facet 60304. 

I have the Facet 60245 on my current project C160-8 Tecumseh engine Wheelhorse.  

 

The difference is the output pressure but either is fine.  

 

 

 

[Pullstart 62,829]

The glory of my 502 “Putt Putt”, well one of the glories, is that there is no fuel pump and I can run the tank dry by gravity feed every time.  

[Retired Wrencher 5,450]

13 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

 

@Retired Wrencher, could you post the model numbers of the pump and anything else you needed to buy to set that up??  Getting those gaskets for the old pumps is getting hard to find, I just want to be able to make it work as parts get harder to replace for these old machines.  Thanks  

 

Hi Steve I bought from Aircraft Spruse Co. Fascet pump POS-flow. P/N 05-10882 OEM# 60304  1-2 psi. Around $60 very fast shipping from TX.

[Retired Wrencher 5,450]

10 hours ago, adsm08 said:

@Retired Wrencher Care to give some details on that e-pump?

 

My K181 has been slow to start lately and I blame the long periods between use and having to get the fuel moving again.

@adsm08 Look above this post for all info. That I replied to Steve.

Edited August 15 by Retired Wrencher

[Retired Wrencher 5,450]

10 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

 

There are several that work. 

 

Facet 60245 or 60304

Mr. Gasket 42s

Carter P4070

 

I believe @Retired Wrencher used the Facet 60304. 

I have the Facet 60245 on my current project C160-8 Tecumseh engine Wheelhorse.  

 

The difference is the output pressure but either is fine.  

 

 

 

Thanks Eric.