Sodaking27 777 #1 Posted July 20 Rims were finally dry enough to have the new tires mounted. Was all excited to be finally putting the C175 back together. Opened up the box of new wheel bearings and Houston we have a problem. Looks like the ID of these wheels are 1 3/4”? Of course I knocked the old bearings out and threw them away when I was painting the rims. C175 calls for Toro 4999 which is the standard 3/4 x 1 3/8. Guessing someone switched rims or did WH have different sizes? Any recommendations where I can get the correct size? Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,145 #2 Posted July 20 (edited) I see # 108483 SS by 110513 for a frt bearing for a 84 C 175 https://www.partstree.com/models/11-17ke01-c-175-toro-lawn-tractor-1984/wheels-and-tires-26/ Looking online it gives 2 different dimensions listed for the same bearing? Some bad info out there! Edited July 20 by squonk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,741 #3 Posted July 20 (edited) What is the OD of the hub Standard WH is 1-9/16" 4999 the old number supersedes to the two Squonk showed. 418C and 520HC used a different front wheel and bearing wonder if it came from one of them... Edited July 20 by pfrederi 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,145 #4 Posted July 20 (edited) @pfrederi. did the 520HC use the wheel barrow bearings? The regular 520 used the cone and cup style. Edited July 20 by squonk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sodaking27 777 #5 Posted July 20 (edited) 53 minutes ago, pfrederi said: What is the OD of the hub Standard WH is 1-9/16" 4999 the old number supersedes to the two Squonk showed. 418C and 520HC used a different front wheel and bearing wonder if it came from one of them... OD of the hub is 2”. Remeasured the ID of the hub and it looks to be 1 11/16. 418C shows the regular bearing 110513. 520HC shows cone bearing. Edited July 20 by Sodaking27 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,741 #6 Posted July 20 4 minutes ago, squonk said: @pfrederi. did the 520HC use the wheel barrow bearings? The regular 520 used the cone and cup style. Only know the wheels were different. Don't have an 500 series and my 418 is an A not a C Maybe some one with 520HC or 418C could measure OD of the hub. The 418 and 520 used different bearings 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,741 #7 Posted July 20 From an old post here...Note it is still a Wheel Barrow style just bigger. OP goes on to say he finally found some but never mentioned the non WH Bearing # Used on some 400 HC series and also the electro trac 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,046 #8 Posted July 20 Anyone know what the bearing size is for the HD spindle kits available as an option? 80493 @ Toro Replaces 8-0490 80490, 8-0491 80491, 8-0492 80492 Replaced by 8-0494 80494 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sodaking27 777 #9 Posted July 20 17 minutes ago, pfrederi said: From an old post here...Note it is still a Wheel Barrow style just bigger. OP goes on to say he finally found some but never mentioned the non WH Bearing # Used on some 400 HC series and also the electro trac @pfrederi That looks to be it. I read the post and he had a machine shop make bushings so he could use the cheaper 110513 standard bearings. I googled the 107124 and did not find any non WH bearings. Guess that teaches me to not be so quick to throw things away. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,741 #10 Posted July 20 My parts manual for the 300-400 series shows the 107124 for 418C not much help can't find a cross reference to a bearing # anywhere... sorry 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sodaking27 777 #11 Posted July 20 11 minutes ago, pfrederi said: My parts manual for the 300-400 series shows the 107124 for 418C not much help can't find a cross reference to a bearing # anywhere... sorry @pfrederiThanks for all your effort. Guess I’ll be trying to find a set of 6.50x8 rims. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,741 #12 Posted July 20 21 minutes ago, Sodaking27 said: @pfrederiThanks for all your effort. Guess I’ll be trying to find a set of 6.50x8 rims. I wonder if there is a real bearing number stamped on the 107124 maybe some one with an eclectro track or 418c could look. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,145 #13 Posted July 20 (edited) How bout looking up a flanged bearing by the dimensions? We have the OD of the spindle and the ID of the wheel hub. Edited July 20 by squonk 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,233 #14 Posted July 20 5 hours ago, pfrederi said: 418C and 520HC used a different front wheel and bearing wonder if it came from one of them... E Also all the swept axle 520-H models. The larger wheels/bore were to handle the tapered roller bearings on these heavier machines designed for heavier loads. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeM 7,874 #15 Posted July 20 If your hubs have an internal shoulder or a indent for the outer bearing race to reside against, might consider using a standard roller bearing. 1635-2rs I see mmc has the flanged ones but they are big bucks 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sodaking27 777 #16 Posted July 20 23 minutes ago, JoeM said: If your hubs have an internal shoulder or a indent for the outer bearing race to reside against, might consider using a standard roller bearing. 1635-2rs I see mmc has the flanged ones but they are big bucks No internal shoulder and a 1 3/4 is to big. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeM 7,874 #17 Posted July 20 42 minutes ago, Sodaking27 said: No internal shoulder and a 1 3/4 is to big must be metric?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,741 #18 Posted July 20 I am thinking this may be like some WH deck bearings OD was metric 40mm ID was inch (3/4") in this case OD would be about 43mm??? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,233 #19 Posted July 20 Time to get out the metric caliper! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 6,663 #20 Posted July 21 3/4" is 19.05 mm and 40 mm is 1.5748". Might be able to run a 3/4" spacer between the bearings like a WH deck spindle if you can find a bearing that fits. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,011 #21 Posted July 21 17 hours ago, pfrederi said: some one with an eclectro track or 418c could look I have both, 418-C and a 520-HC. 418-C just has normal bearings but the HD spindles and the 520-HC just has the normal 1" roller bearings. Nothing special on either one. Probably the easiest way is to just find new rims. The OD of a 3/4" roller trailer bearing is close to 1 3/4". What about machining that race down to fit the ID of the wheel? It would need a couple of dimples in the wheel to keep them or a piece of pipe between them. https://www.amazon.com/Trailer-Agricultural-WPS-LM11949-LM11910/dp/B01EBKYSWA/ref=asc_df_B01EBKYSWA?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80607997944711&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584207577350339&psc=1 A piece of DOM tube to fit through the wheel hub with a 1 3/8 ID for regular bearings. BUT the tube will need to be machined down to fit 1 11/16". It's carbon steel so much easier to machine than a hardened race would be. https://www.onlinemetals.com/en/buy/carbon-steel-round-tube?q=%3Aprice-asc%3AMaterial%3ACarbon%2BSteel%3AShape%3ATube-Round%3AInnerDiameter%3A1.375%22%3AOuterDiameter%3A1.75%22 3/4 ID by 1" OD DOM tube to covert the spindle from 3/4" to 1" then use 520 rims, or convert to 1" trailer hubs and wheels. Just kinda throwing different ideas against the wall to see what sticks. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,634 #22 Posted July 21 @Sodaking27 , @wallfish , having done the front wheel issue , opportunity / change , first thing I do is , clean out and regrease any new bearing with a wide rubber side grease shield , very easy ,carefully remove shield , small putty knife , wipe , carb cleaner flush , lucas 550 drop point chassis grease repack , next get some flat washers / spacers , to ELIMINATE SIDE TO SIDE , WHEEL SHUCKING . thats what eats those bearings . did this to my horses years ago , NO FAILURES , that LATERAL BEARING SLAM , and lack of polyurea grease , is what is going on . never found a correct bearing a problem , wide rubber side shield , is what you are looking for , the LATERAL bearing , side slam , elimination is critical for bearing function , none of my wheels are bearing mount , washed out , this is basic stuff , its the FUNCTIONAL DETAILING , that verifies, and insures consistent movement , personally , love a problem that consistently shows it self , then I eliminate it , is that difficult ? nothing sarcastic , pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sodaking27 777 #23 Posted July 21 As mentioned, I’m going to see if I can find a set of front rims and set these aside for now. I’m going to put a post in the Wanted section. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and thoughts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,082 #24 Posted July 21 On 7/20/2024 at 2:50 PM, squonk said: How bout looking up a flanged bearing by the dimensions? We have the OD of the spindle and the ID of the wheel hub. Another "oddball option" would be depending on the condition of your spindles: if your existing wheels were from a 520-H or similar, you can likely find conical bearings with 1 inch ID. Tractor supply, Northern tool both carry trailer bearing sets for 1 inch axles... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,011 #25 Posted July 23 OK, So just to add some info for this thread in the future. I found the original rims off the loader tractor which had the HD spindle upgrade on it. That appears WHERE these larger bore rims and special wheel bearings come from. I'll update with some pics of the bearings when I knock one out and clean it up 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
